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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg so folks as you

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probably know I did not go to the MUFON

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symposium which occurred on the last

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weekend of September Chris didn't go so

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we don't have much to report except that

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it occurred in Irvine California which

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would have been a few hours drive from

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here so if I really wanted to go and

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they were willing to send me a press

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pass I probably would have do they give

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out press passes over there yeah sure

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oh all right maybe I should have thought

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about but then again do I want to see

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Jaime blue Sun mm probably not do I want

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to see Paul Hellyer definitely not right

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so I would have liked to have seen

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Preston Dennett do you know him

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I've met him sure yeah he used to write

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for my magazine like 20 years ago mm-hmm

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so I would have loved to have met him

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because he's an interesting guy and some

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of the other people seem like they're

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decent I'm kind of worried about John

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Greenwald though when he did all this

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grandstanding a few months back about

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the release of the project Bluebook

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files

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implying that he had the exclusive to

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something that had been online for over

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a decade yeah which he had to pull down

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that was really peculiar I mean I don't

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think he looked very good actually owns

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the rights like trying to remember who

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it was it was some like because the head

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scratcher organization that actually has

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the rights to those they had the rights

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to that particular presentation but

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other sites have put it online for years

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hmm it did not make a lick of sense to

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me you know well news you know let's

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let's move onwards and upwards I think

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in the field and try to do the best we

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can with new cases and you know kind of

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revamp the the wheel is broken approach

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and come up with a better way to

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approach the subject and maybe make some

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headway for the first time in seven

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years that would be a change that's why

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I have argued to throw it all away but

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as you say there are some people who are

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doing really good work and we want to

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recognize that work and maybe find a way

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they can operate with a new system but

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short of really doing something drastic

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how do you change it if I changing the

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US Congress it's ever going to happen

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well you just have to get proactive and

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you have to you know attempt to do

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things like our you know the San Luis

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Valley Cameron project and in hard data

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monitoring of hotspot areas I you know

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to me that makes the most sense anything

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short of that you need quite a large

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budget to send people at a moment's

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notice around the world to investigate

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breaking cases you know I'd say set

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something up in a place where you know

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you have a better odds on chance of

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capturing something so that that's you

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know I'll hit anything short of that I'm

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really not sure speaking of things that

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aren't drastic we're getting kind of a

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trickle effect of news about possible

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life in outer space and that's a bad pun

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except that there appears to be flowing

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water on Mars but not the kind you want

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to drink no evidently not

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I haven't dove into that yet I've heard

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rumblings of it over the past couple of

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days but I haven't really had the time

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to dive into it and find out what it's

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all about once you give us your

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thumbnail

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story I have here from The Guardian

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liquid water runs down canyons and

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crater walls over the summer months on

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Mars according to researchers who say

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the discovery raises the chances of

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being home to some form of life the

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trickles leave long dark stains on the

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martian terrain that could reach

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hundreds of meters downhill in the

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warmer months before they dry up in the

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autumn as surface temperatures drop now

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one more thing here scientists are

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unsure where the water comes from but

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may rise up from the underground ice or

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salty aquifers or condense out of the

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thin Martian atmosphere

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now anchor Singh here is at the water

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coming from the subsurface and you

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wonder here if Martians truly existed

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and the surface atmosphere is dying

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over millennia would they retreat to the

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interior of the planet to keep some kind

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of ecosystem going sure in a good

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science fiction novel well of course but

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the thing here is if there's life what

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they're telling you is that life is

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microbial you know it's not Martians

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although what is it this new movie with

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Matt Damon the Martian where he is an

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explorer who was stranded on Mars and he

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grows potatoes there that's one of the

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sticks they pull but the point being

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here was we're getting this gradual flow

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again there's a pond I'm sorry folks

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the gradual flow of information

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indicating the conditions for life are

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present on other worlds and again we get

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back to are we talking about gradual

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disclosure here mmm-hmm

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I don't think so but if it is some form

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of gradual disclosure it wouldn't

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surprise me obviously the big question

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here is what would work better would

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work better to say okay we know there's

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life in the universe maybe we're in

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contact with them assuming UFOs are

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spaceships and that's a big if and a big

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assumption would that cause panic or a

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serious impact of the stock market and

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the energy industries and all that or

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would it be better to just feed the

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information in so slowly so gradually

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over a period of several decades that we

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wake up and we're used to it yeah we are

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accustomed to the fact that there's

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water on Mars and it's flowing there's

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water on some of the moons of what

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Jupiter and Saturn and that we're

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getting closer and closer to discovering

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the possible presence of planets around

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other stars systems that are in the

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so-called Goldilocks zone

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so we have so many sources of possible

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life

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wouldn't it make sense that over a

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period of billions of years real

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civilizations have arisen but if we

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accept that unless there's some really

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bad news like we've got evil locusts

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from outer space attacking us like an

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Independence Day wouldn't that be the

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best way that convey the message of

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course it requires a plan that can be

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carried out over several decades you

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know I don't think that Orson Welles

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syndrome argument works anymore I think

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people are are more than ready to hear

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the truth if the truth has not been told

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yet so I agree with anyone who says that

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it's going to topple you know the

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financial centers and you know might

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might do a number on the Islamic

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communities because they you know they

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consider themselves to be the center of

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the universe so that that might be a

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problem but I think in the West I I

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don't I don't see it as being the kind

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of issue it maybe would have been in the

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conflicts on the planet I think I think

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people are pretty jaded jaded and

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cynical and to be honest with you I

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think even if they did make an

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announcement I bet you there'd be a

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sizeable percentage of people that would

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think there was some sort of you know

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some sort of ploy by the government and

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they wouldn't believe it well just

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consider this we can get into all sorts

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of conspiracy theories people according

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to surveys don't believe the press they

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don't believe the government they

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believe the President of the United

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States who I mean you may disagree from

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all indications was born in Hawaii in

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1961 according to the Hawaiian

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newspapers at the time who claims to be

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a Christian who goes to a Christian

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Church and Reverend Wright was a

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Christian a Holy Roller kind of

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Christian so we have someone who is

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evidently a Christian born in the United

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States but was a third of Republicans

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believe he's a Muslim or not for in the

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United States I mean all right you know

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why do we care and of course the big

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argument be if this guy wasn't half

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black but white would we care

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and why do we even allow Ted Cruz who

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was born in Canada to run for president

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that's a good question

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what because the definition of

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natural-born citizen means that his

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mother was a native-born American I

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think that's the way but that's the same

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thing true with Obama so what difference

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would it make

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anyway let's talk about instead of known

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creatures unknown creatures yeah

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because the new book out from Stan

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Gordon who is one of the top crack

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researchers in Pennsylvania the book is

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called astonishing encounters

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Pennsylvania's unknown creatures case

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book three and what can I say he's

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coming up next with gene and Chris

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maybe I'll throw in a copy of attack of

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cast comm Stan you've got a wealth of

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information there and I have to tell you

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I lived in Pennsylvania for about six

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years long long time ago and I probably

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made a foolish mistake leaving it but

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why do we find so many strange things

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happening in Pennsylvania well

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historically there's been a long history

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of phenomena in Pennsylvania from Native

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American accounts too many articles were

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written I in hundreds of newspapers

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across Pennsylvania people sing strange

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things in the sky and strange things in

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the woods and going on for a long time

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but also you've got to remember you know

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I started my hotline back in 1969 and

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we're probably I would say probably the

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most active scientific Ori on a research

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group probably in the country even

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though was relatively small

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we were extremely active we're out there

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day and night 24 hours a day across the

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state investigating cases and it was one

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of the other place in the country we

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could report a sighting and somebody

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would investigate it and my hot line of

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stores and since that time period and

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between my hotline and my emails I get

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reports in here almost on a daily basis

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on current and past reports so it may

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well be the fact that there was a place

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that people could actually porta

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sighting if something had occurred yeah

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that's an important point Stan I think

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you're right I found the same thing in

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Colorado when I went there in 89 there

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was very little if any talk of any sort

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of unusual events and then as soon as my

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you know first article came out and

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people knew that there was someone

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willing to take the time and work with

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them there weren't you know there wasn't

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gonna judge them or make fun of them or

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violate any sort of you know request

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friend anonymity boom reports just start

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coming out of the woodwork I was

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absolutely amazed and come to find out

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that stuff had been percolating along

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the whole time nobody reported it

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because they didn't have anybody to

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report to and I think that's a really

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important point that you bring up people

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need to have recourse some of your

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larger groups that are out there

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you don't get the kind of attention that

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you do from a private individual that's

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willing to log the miles and put in the

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time I have to agree and like I said you

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know people talking about research today

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and you know unfortunately from what I'm

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seeing and talking many other people in

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the field I think we're kind of going

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backwards I think there was probably a

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lot more really serious in the field

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work being done back in the 70s 80s

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maybe early 90s but it's just not like

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it was back in those days from what I'm

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hearing for different people what is it

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about Pennsylvania is is there some sort

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of geophysical properties there do you

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think that there's something that you

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can actually put your finger on that

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makes Pennsylvania arguably the most

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active state in the eastern half of the

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country

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Missouri's another place with a lot of

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activity Colorado California but

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Pennsylvania has always in my mind been

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especially that southern portion the

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upper sort of Ohio River Valley what is

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it about that area what why do you think

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there's so much activity there in such a

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variety of activity yeah I I'm looking

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for years to try to find that answer and

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of course yes the status cover would

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many very sickly forts in wooded areas

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there's a lot of rivers and lakes in

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Pennsylvania there's areas I probably

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have hiked through and investigated to

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have many parts of some of the ridges

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tops of the mountains that probably not

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that many people were ever really walked

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into there's a lot of interesting areas

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of Pennsylvania but something I

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discovered many years ago when

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investigating a lot of these case spent

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you back in the 70s was it one there's a

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lot of incidents a lot of low-level

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close encounter type UFO events that

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occur in the vicinity of energy sources

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but I'm also finding this as well with

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more more cryptid reports days would

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occur in the vicinity of high-tension

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power lines power generating stations

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gas wells gas lines communication towers

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railroad tracks water reservoirs and I

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believe for quite a while that a lot of

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phenomena we're dealing with see if they

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have some type of energy connection to

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it there are many many questions out

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there that I don't have the answer

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or you know I'm out there gathering the

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information trying to forget what's

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going on but I think right now that some

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of what we're dealing with there's a

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little further hand scientifically than

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we really have the answers for at this

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point so do you think that the

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hydrocarbons

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the gas and oil fields and areas that

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have you know oil deposits do you think

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that that may have some sort of bearing

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on that the very fact that there's

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hydrocarbon energy I really haven't seen

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that I guess what I'm trying to say is

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that I see a lot of cases where there's

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gas wells there's gas lines there's gas

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storage tanks for example on trailers

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fuel tanks it's just really unusual how

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we have so many different for example

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Bigfoot sightings around some of the

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mobile homes mobile home communities

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over the years where some of these

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different apparatus are I don't know

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exactly what it's all about but it seems

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those there might be something there

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well one thing I should add is one of

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the most active areas in the country

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almost year after year for reported

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sightings what really stands out is

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along the Chestnut Ridge and chestnut

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ranges out mountain ranges stretches

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from Preston County West Virginia to

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West Lafayette Indiana County and

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Southwest ba there are weekend reports a

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year after year and Fayette County

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really stands out it is an area where

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there is just a long history of very

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strange encounters with UFOs Bigfoot

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Black Panthers all kind of strange

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entities you name it things have gone on

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up there and even in the last years have

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been activity up there well what do you

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think it could be about that area why do

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you think that's a particular hotspot

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location in the state it's a lot of

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limestone up there there's a small

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earthquake fault to go through one part

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of the ridge but its inactive yeah

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there's a lot of energy sources

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throughout that area but it's nothing

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that really stands out except for the

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fact that we have these reoccurring

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reports how about cavern systems in the

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area yeah there's some well-known caves

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up in parts of that area some are open

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for the public to go in then it's fall

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around now back in the heyday with all

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the Bigfoot activity back in the 70s you

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know many in daylight and our teams are

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out there sometimes within minutes

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hours after the incident and in many

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times we went into various caves where

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these things may have gone into and we

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searched all around and never found any

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evidence they were staying in there they

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may have gotten in there temporarily no

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indication they were going in there and

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shouldering in there for example well

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I'll tell you your book that just came

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that's through our breaking them again

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this is actually you listening to the

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podcast the gold standard of Carnival

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so we're exploring all those curious

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really curious events that occur in the

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state of Pennsylvania which seems to

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have a pretty high percentage of unusual

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stuff from cryptids to UFOs

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we've got Stan Gordon here his book is

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called astonishing encounters

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Pennsylvania's unknown creatures case

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book 3 Chris had a question but help

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noticing the butler fairy account it's

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just it's just money it's mind boggling

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that that something like this could fly

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right you know within feet of people and

679
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you have such good quality eyewitness

680
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accounts that that describe this thing

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once you give us a thumbnail sketch on

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that particular event because this is

683
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really unusual it's almost like

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something you'd expect to find and

685
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outside some pub in Ireland or something

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this is something I rarely have ever

687
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heard about you know he hears shocking

688
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stories about these very small little

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flung entities and be honest I didn't

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take them very seriously and in the last

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couple of years various people

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describing me something somewhat simpler

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and when I first saw the story published

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on phantoms of monsters I was able to

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contact the witness and he gave me

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permission to uh redo to the his story

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that he wrote then I had correspondence

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wasn't for on this number of times and

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it was such a detailed account of what

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they saw an experience back in the

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summer of 2005 in Butler County and

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we'll talk more about Butler County

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including I just yesterday received a

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really interesting very bizarre creature

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encounter from Butler County that

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occurred in the last few weeks and

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didn't extend to the interview of the

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witness last night but there's a lot of

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history also in Butler county north of

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Pittsburgh a lot of strange things

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occurring this particular case was

712
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interesting because it was I guess seven

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eight people as I recall that were

714
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visiting a friend

715
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yeah when that's very small very small

716
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very detailed little people like like a

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fairy you know as it was described and

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it's just an amazing amazing account how

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this unfolded in great detail

720
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this is interesting here because a lot

721
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of people when they look in the stories

722
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like this they think oh all that stuff

723
00:29:44,019 --> 00:29:41,840
happened years ago

724
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and they say the same thing about UFOs

725
00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:46,190
oh well the big sightings occurred years

726
00:29:51,369 --> 00:29:48,710
ago but what you just told us here is

727
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this is stuff that is to the present day

728
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it's happening all the time around us

729
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yes there's no doubt about it

730
00:30:00,159 --> 00:29:58,610
these reports go on year after year but

731
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just like the whistles I talked to you I

732
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was like some people wait for weeks or

733
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months or years whether it be perfect

734
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just like the witness said when this

735
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happened several weeks ago there were so

736
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much of nearly in shock about what they

737
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saw that they were really reluctant to

738
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tell anybody or reported for fear of

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being ridiculed and you know I've been

740
00:30:21,369 --> 00:30:19,370
doing with this for a long time I

741
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:21,379
haven't taken calls of course you're

742
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:22,730
going back many many years they're

743
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interviewing many people so many people

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even today especially with the cryptid

745
00:30:32,049 --> 00:30:29,210
reports they're still extremely

746
00:30:34,119 --> 00:30:32,059
reluctant to talk about them probably I

747
00:30:37,060 --> 00:30:34,129
have their names associated with the

748
00:30:39,549 --> 00:30:37,070
sighting now the UFO phenomena is taking

749
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on a lot more interest and the ridicule

750
00:30:44,289 --> 00:30:41,870
problem is not nearly what it used to be

751
00:30:46,119 --> 00:30:44,299
but it still occurs and many of the

752
00:30:48,850 --> 00:30:46,129
witnesses I talk to you today still

753
00:30:50,379 --> 00:30:48,860
reluctant to report especially when

754
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you're dealing with not lights in the

755
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sky but large solid craft close to the

756
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ground many of the witnesses even today

757
00:31:01,509 --> 00:30:59,539
who have UFO or cryptid encounters are

758
00:31:03,070 --> 00:31:01,519
very reluctant to publicly talk about it

759
00:31:06,580 --> 00:31:03,080
because we're still afraid of being

760
00:31:08,590 --> 00:31:06,590
ridiculed it's not as bad with the UFO

761
00:31:10,899 --> 00:31:08,600
phenomena more and more people willing

762
00:31:13,509 --> 00:31:10,909
to talk about it but those witnesses who

763
00:31:16,060 --> 00:31:13,519
have encountered something very close at

764
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:16,070
very low level are still quite often

765
00:31:21,490 --> 00:31:18,559
reluctant to publicly talk about it but

766
00:31:23,139 --> 00:31:21,500
these sightings go on year after year I

767
00:31:25,659 --> 00:31:23,149
mean even this year has been pretty

768
00:31:28,090 --> 00:31:25,669
steady with reports coming in we've had

769
00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:28,100
a little surge in activity actually in

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00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:30,769
August into September with some

771
00:31:35,049 --> 00:31:33,200
interesting we poor sort of come in so

772
00:31:36,730 --> 00:31:35,059
things are happening out there and it's

773
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I'm sure not just in Pennsylvania but

774
00:31:41,980 --> 00:31:39,049
it's probably well across the country

775
00:31:44,049 --> 00:31:41,990
but there are again there's not a lot of

776
00:31:45,789 --> 00:31:44,059
good information coming in from some of

777
00:31:46,460 --> 00:31:45,799
the states out there you want once you

778
00:31:48,850 --> 00:31:46,470
give it as

779
00:31:51,140 --> 00:31:48,860
an example of some of your end of summer

780
00:31:53,930 --> 00:31:51,150
fall reports that you're currently

781
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:53,940
working on do you want me to this really

782
00:31:58,700 --> 00:31:56,850
unusual entity reported it happened in

783
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:58,710
late August for the first week of

784
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September of this year I just

785
00:32:04,730 --> 00:32:02,370
interviewed the witness last night and

786
00:32:07,340 --> 00:32:04,740
this took place on a rural road Eastern

787
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Butler County about 5:00 p.m. it was a

788
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sunny day and the witness was just

789
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:10,860
taking a leisurely drive through that

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00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:13,679
scenic in a rural area and the driver

791
00:32:17,930 --> 00:32:15,690
was focusing on the road ahead looking

792
00:32:19,789 --> 00:32:17,940
around off to the right side there was a

793
00:32:22,669 --> 00:32:19,799
stream there was a woods to the left and

794
00:32:25,310 --> 00:32:22,679
going down the road and then suddenly in

795
00:32:27,289 --> 00:32:25,320
about 15 to 20 feet ahead and about

796
00:32:29,649 --> 00:32:27,299
three-quarters of the way across the

797
00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:29,659
road the witness sees something that

798
00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:32,460
sounds very hard to describe and was

799
00:32:36,649 --> 00:32:34,049
moving from right to left ahead of the

800
00:32:39,049 --> 00:32:36,659
vehicle the first part the driver was it

801
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:39,059
was a deer but then quickly realized was

802
00:32:43,730 --> 00:32:41,370
unlike anything they had ever seen

803
00:32:45,529 --> 00:32:43,740
before or even might even exist and

804
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:45,539
that's because the first feature caught

805
00:32:48,620 --> 00:32:46,320
their attention

806
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:48,630
looks similar to the head of a deer

807
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:51,330
however the head was angled straight up

808
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:53,370
and the head was not real pointing it

809
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:54,960
was kind of nailed at the tops and

810
00:32:59,659 --> 00:32:57,210
rounded off the body was somewhere in

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color to a deer and pivoting about four

812
00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:01,860
to four nine feet tall and appear to be

813
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:04,049
smooth but it was unclear every was

814
00:33:08,899 --> 00:33:06,240
covered with skin and has no apparent

815
00:33:10,490 --> 00:33:08,909
hair and the being now was it was

816
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:10,500
observed just from the side had never

817
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:12,690
looked towards the vehicle and no

818
00:33:16,970 --> 00:33:14,250
details could be seen on the face

819
00:33:18,380 --> 00:33:16,980
because of that the arms look very short

820
00:33:20,659 --> 00:33:18,390
and out of proportion to the rest of the

821
00:33:23,299 --> 00:33:20,669
body and the arms were held in very

822
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close to the chest area the hands appear

823
00:33:27,380 --> 00:33:25,169
to be very small and gave the impression

824
00:33:29,630 --> 00:33:27,390
they were either being held together or

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possibly holding something and what does

826
00:33:34,010 --> 00:33:31,620
this witness sound hard to describe was

827
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that there appear to be something aching

828
00:33:39,169 --> 00:33:36,659
down possibly some type of fabric that

829
00:33:41,450 --> 00:33:39,179
was covering around the leg area as no

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legs or feet could be observed and the

831
00:33:46,610 --> 00:33:43,890
driver said this being just glided above

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00:33:48,350 --> 00:33:46,620
the roadway and even stranger was that

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00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:48,360
behind the head

834
00:33:54,049 --> 00:33:51,120
there was an artifact and the witness

835
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:54,059
said it looks sort of like a time wax

836
00:33:57,950 --> 00:33:55,919
picture like a cartoon when the

837
00:33:59,820 --> 00:33:57,960
character is moving so fast the body

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00:34:02,399 --> 00:33:59,830
can't keep up with it the width

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00:34:04,830 --> 00:34:02,409
comedy look like a head portion was

840
00:34:07,169 --> 00:34:04,840
losing streaks of body matter as it

841
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:07,179
glided across the road within a couple

842
00:34:10,919 --> 00:34:09,040
of seconds the car approached the

843
00:34:13,290 --> 00:34:10,929
location of the road where the creature

844
00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:13,300
had been gliding the driver looked all

845
00:34:18,030 --> 00:34:15,250
around but the beating was nowhere in

846
00:34:20,129 --> 00:34:18,040
sight and was not seen again the witness

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00:34:22,169 --> 00:34:20,139
was stunned could I understand how the

848
00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:22,179
creature could be gone in seconds the

849
00:34:26,579 --> 00:34:24,250
entire observation lasted maybe seven

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00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:26,589
eight seconds the witness also mentioned

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00:34:30,780 --> 00:34:28,510
that it was unusual that the creature

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00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:30,790
wasn't seen as it came from the right

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side of the road and was only first

854
00:34:36,839 --> 00:34:34,629
observed one was already gliding

855
00:34:39,240 --> 00:34:36,849
three-quarters of a way across the road

856
00:34:44,510 --> 00:34:39,250
ahead so it's a very interesting unusual

857
00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:44,520
report Chris you're continuing a run so

858
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:47,440
I'm a little confused was this creature

859
00:34:53,220 --> 00:34:49,450
upright it was on two legs in other

860
00:34:54,990 --> 00:34:53,230
words they couldn't see any legs and

861
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appear to be floating or gliding a

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palpable surface of the roadway did they

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00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:01,480
notice any antlers or anything coming

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out of the head that would give it more

865
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of the appearance of a deer nothing at

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all the only reason she even said like a

867
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deer was one the coloration was somewhat

868
00:35:17,730 --> 00:35:15,400
similar to the near and to the head

869
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:17,740
shape with someone like that but it was

870
00:35:22,589 --> 00:35:20,320
pointing straight upward and there was

871
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no other indication of a deer and

872
00:35:26,190 --> 00:35:24,250
immediately realized there wasn't any

873
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:26,200
deer and kind of creature she had ever

874
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seen before

875
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and this is the middle of the day we've

876
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had other floating entity reports some

877
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of which I mentioned in the new

878
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astonished encounters book that we have

879
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had a history and it's not just in

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Pennsylvania and I'm sure but you may

881
00:35:50,450 --> 00:35:47,770
have had some of these out your way as

882
00:35:54,839 --> 00:35:50,460
well these entities that appear to float

883
00:35:56,849 --> 00:35:54,849
yeah yeah I've actually had the dubious

884
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distinction of seeing one and it had a

885
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full rack of antlers too which freaked

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me out I was naked in my greenhouse

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shower disconcerting and it was

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silhouetted against the still lit sky

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the Sun had gone down probably

890
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10 minutes 15 minutes before but yeah

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these these types of entities are often

892
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as our eet type entities are you know

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you'll hear reports of them gliding and

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not appearing to have their lower bodies

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astonishing encounters Pennsylvania's

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Gordon maybe that's true Chris you want

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to continue with what you started with

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you got it you got to ask yourself I'm

1019
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sure from time to time what the heck is

1020
00:41:44,319 --> 00:41:41,779
this about I mean why do you think that

1021
00:41:46,420 --> 00:41:44,329
these types of creatures are being seen

1022
00:41:48,519 --> 00:41:46,430
and and do you think that there's

1023
00:41:49,690 --> 00:41:48,529
something actually physical or do you

1024
00:41:50,829 --> 00:41:49,700
think there's something more akin to

1025
00:41:55,209 --> 00:41:50,839
some sort of supernatural or paranormal

1026
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:55,219
type effect yeah I really got to go back

1027
00:42:00,549 --> 00:41:58,880
to the 1973 period you know as you

1028
00:42:02,229 --> 00:42:00,559
probably recall that was the time we had

1029
00:42:04,839 --> 00:42:02,239
that massive probably the largest

1030
00:42:06,370 --> 00:42:04,849
outbreak in history of Hilo following

1031
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:06,380
Bigfoot sightings here in Pennsylvania

1032
00:42:11,739 --> 00:42:09,410
but also many parts of the country were

1033
00:42:13,690 --> 00:42:11,749
experiencing that massive flap of UFOs

1034
00:42:16,599 --> 00:42:13,700
that he's was actually Pete in the fall

1035
00:42:18,249 --> 00:42:16,609
of 1973 a lot of activity going on but

1036
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:18,259
also there was quite a bit of Bigfoot

1037
00:42:23,229 --> 00:42:20,089
activity going on throughout the country

1038
00:42:25,269 --> 00:42:23,239
as well but not to the level that was

1039
00:42:26,559 --> 00:42:25,279
happening here in Pennsylvania I mean we

1040
00:42:28,839 --> 00:42:26,569
had hundreds of hundreds of UFO

1041
00:42:32,489 --> 00:42:28,849
sightings going on it started January

1042
00:42:35,529 --> 00:42:32,499
1st and it continued through 73 and

1043
00:42:38,859 --> 00:42:35,539
multiple reports continued in 1974 but

1044
00:42:41,259 --> 00:42:38,869
it was in the summer of 73 as all this

1045
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:41,269
other UFO activity is going on that we

1046
00:42:45,339 --> 00:42:43,130
had that major outbreak of Bigfoot

1047
00:42:47,019 --> 00:42:45,349
sightings and that went on for weeks and

1048
00:42:49,450 --> 00:42:47,029
months and it started here in

1049
00:42:50,979 --> 00:42:49,460
southwestern Pennsylvania and it

1050
00:42:53,289 --> 00:42:50,989
continued through many other parts of

1051
00:42:55,059 --> 00:42:53,299
the state it was just an amazing time to

1052
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:55,069
live through and in many of those

1053
00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:56,960
Bigfoot encounters they weren't

1054
00:43:01,749 --> 00:42:59,599
nighttime they were daylight in some

1055
00:43:03,940 --> 00:43:01,759
cases you had multiple creatures being

1056
00:43:06,579 --> 00:43:03,950
seen two or three at the same time in

1057
00:43:08,799 --> 00:43:06,589
some cases these sittings were extremely

1058
00:43:10,420 --> 00:43:08,809
close to people especially in cases

1059
00:43:12,839 --> 00:43:10,430
where they walked out for example in

1060
00:43:16,359 --> 00:43:12,849
front of cars who were seen walking near

1061
00:43:18,789 --> 00:43:16,369
homes for example and people got a very

1062
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:18,799
very very detailed look at these things

1063
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:21,170
so you know I started looking into

1064
00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:23,210
Bigfoot sightings in Pennsylvania

1065
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:26,089
soon after the Kecksburg incident 1965

1066
00:43:31,690 --> 00:43:28,609
when I began my field research into UFOs

1067
00:43:34,210 --> 00:43:31,700
and all kind of other phenomena and I

1068
00:43:36,430 --> 00:43:34,220
always felt from what information was

1069
00:43:38,050 --> 00:43:36,440
available in Bigfoot in Pennsylvania and

1070
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:38,060
from people I had was the interviewing

1071
00:43:42,490 --> 00:43:40,640
at that time that Bigfoot if it was real

1072
00:43:44,609 --> 00:43:42,500
and appeared there was something to it

1073
00:43:46,450 --> 00:43:44,619
that was probably some type of unknown

1074
00:43:48,910 --> 00:43:46,460
zoological creatures type unknown

1075
00:43:50,740 --> 00:43:48,920
primate for years and years I've always

1076
00:43:52,329 --> 00:43:50,750
felt that that was probably the case and

1077
00:43:54,910 --> 00:43:52,339
I continue to keep an open mind all

1078
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:54,920
possibilities all this activity is going

1079
00:44:00,640 --> 00:43:57,760
on in 1973 you got to remember back in

1080
00:44:03,460 --> 00:44:00,650
1973 a lot of the witnesses at that

1081
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:03,470
period they saw something they encounter

1082
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:05,359
something they made close to the police

1083
00:44:09,130 --> 00:44:07,010
departments in some case they called the

1084
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:09,140
news media they wanted help or they

1085
00:44:12,670 --> 00:44:10,730
wanted to find out what was going on you

1086
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:12,680
know my first group was the West Warren

1087
00:44:16,780 --> 00:44:14,450
County UFO study group most founds of

1088
00:44:19,839 --> 00:44:16,790
1970 we start out as a very small

1089
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:19,849
research group you know I wanted to try

1090
00:44:24,099 --> 00:44:21,920
to set up a volunteer group of people

1091
00:44:26,319 --> 00:44:24,109
who could go out and look at these cases

1092
00:44:26,980 --> 00:44:26,329
firsthand and tried to respond these

1093
00:44:29,020 --> 00:44:26,990
cases

1094
00:44:30,490 --> 00:44:29,030
soon after the call came in hopefully

1095
00:44:32,380 --> 00:44:30,500
they get on the scene of an incident of

1096
00:44:34,930 --> 00:44:32,390
all the phenomena is ongoing so that's

1097
00:44:37,359 --> 00:44:34,940
what I focused on what I did and the

1098
00:44:39,700 --> 00:44:37,369
group was kind of unique in that the

1099
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:39,710
majority of the people were people had

1100
00:44:43,780 --> 00:44:41,450
some type of specialized backgrounds or

1101
00:44:45,819 --> 00:44:43,790
there were scientists and engineers and

1102
00:44:47,829 --> 00:44:45,829
technicians and former military

1103
00:44:50,740 --> 00:44:47,839
intelligence people and police officers

1104
00:44:53,050 --> 00:44:50,750
and I had many people who dealt with me

1105
00:44:55,180 --> 00:44:53,060
anonymously live from that with their

1106
00:44:57,730 --> 00:44:55,190
positions from Westinghouse Gulf

1107
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:57,740
Research Alcoa research from Pittsburgh

1108
00:45:01,839 --> 00:44:59,119
from some of the colleges and

1109
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:01,849
universities it was a really interesting

1110
00:45:06,339 --> 00:45:03,770
group of people many who came in very

1111
00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:06,349
skeptically but many of them spent years

1112
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:08,569
with me out in the field and began to

1113
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:10,730
realize seeing the patters or what we're

1114
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:12,560
dealing with seeing the evidence we are

1115
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:14,089
finding and there were deep mysteries

1116
00:45:18,849 --> 00:45:16,400
out there we couldn't explain but going

1117
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:18,859
back to that time period as these

1118
00:45:23,290 --> 00:45:21,170
reports are coming in from I'd spread

1119
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:23,300
areas a lot of the police departments

1120
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:26,089
and in quite a lot of cases some of the

1121
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:27,770
police departments were referring cases

1122
00:45:32,319 --> 00:45:30,290
for my teams to investigate so we are

1123
00:45:34,180 --> 00:45:32,329
out there you know very quickly after

1124
00:45:37,059 --> 00:45:34,190
some of these events some of the reports

1125
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:37,069
were highly unusual for example in some

1126
00:45:40,300 --> 00:45:38,450
cases our teams will get out to a

1127
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:40,310
location or a Bigfoot sighting has taken

1128
00:45:44,170 --> 00:45:42,079
place and there will be trails or

1129
00:45:45,420 --> 00:45:44,180
footprints that would suddenly stop to

1130
00:45:47,370 --> 00:45:45,430
disappear but the

1131
00:45:49,650 --> 00:45:47,380
conditions were suitable there should

1132
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:49,660
have been more tracks and man patterns

1133
00:45:54,809 --> 00:45:52,210
began to emerge we would have for

1134
00:45:58,109 --> 00:45:54,819
example a UFO sighting in a certain area

1135
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:58,119
and within minutes the hours the days

1136
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:00,880
later we will have a Bigfoot sighting or

1137
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:03,280
vice versa and then we had some of the

1138
00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:05,650
most amazing well documented cases where

1139
00:46:12,420 --> 00:46:09,250
a UFO and a Bigfoot are seen together at

1140
00:46:14,609 --> 00:46:12,430
the same time in place but then as that

1141
00:46:17,460 --> 00:46:14,619
time continued on with some of these

1142
00:46:20,299 --> 00:46:17,470
Bigfoot cases some even stranger

1143
00:46:22,589 --> 00:46:20,309
accounts which began to just the Bigfoot

1144
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:22,599
need not be a normal flesh and blood

1145
00:46:26,609 --> 00:46:24,250
animal as part of that it for me to say

1146
00:46:28,530 --> 00:46:26,619
that's brings up some interesting points

1147
00:46:30,690 --> 00:46:28,540
and I think for some of our newer

1148
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:30,700
listeners who perhaps have not heard you

1149
00:46:35,819 --> 00:46:33,010
on the show before I think the one case

1150
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:35,829
that you were there within minutes of

1151
00:46:41,790 --> 00:46:39,280
the report of the bigfoot-like creatures

1152
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:41,800
coming out of the of the light that

1153
00:46:46,170 --> 00:46:44,170
appeared to be surrounding a craft once

1154
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:46,180
you give us an idea of how that case

1155
00:46:50,549 --> 00:46:48,250
unfolded and some of the pretty

1156
00:46:54,450 --> 00:46:50,559
startling details including gunplay and

1157
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:54,460
everything else did not come out of the

1158
00:46:58,680 --> 00:46:56,410
UFO but I'll explaining it as the story

1159
00:47:03,089 --> 00:46:58,690
goes along so this goes back to that

1160
00:47:05,309 --> 00:47:03,099
wave of reports back in 1973 October

1161
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:05,319
25th this is like again in Fayette

1162
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:05,770
County

1163
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:09,970
been receiving many sightings during

1164
00:47:13,890 --> 00:47:12,010
that 24-hour period on my hotline from

1165
00:47:16,859 --> 00:47:13,900
around Pennsylvania that a lot of UFO

1166
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:16,869
sightings going on that day around 10:30

1167
00:47:22,589 --> 00:47:20,010
that evening I received a phone call

1168
00:47:24,839 --> 00:47:22,599
from a state trooper

1169
00:47:26,569 --> 00:47:24,849
from the Utah State Police barracks

1170
00:47:29,460 --> 00:47:26,579
outside of Uniontown in Fayette County

1171
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:29,470
he had just come back from investigating

1172
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:33,280
this multiple witness UFO incident UFO

1173
00:47:37,530 --> 00:47:35,290
landing it happened in a rural area

1174
00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:37,540
there and he called me from the barracks

1175
00:47:42,299 --> 00:47:39,730
another key witness was with him at the

1176
00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:42,309
time and I interviewed him he was highly

1177
00:47:46,500 --> 00:47:45,040
upset trooper told me he said he thought

1178
00:47:48,569 --> 00:47:46,510
there was a good chance of something was

1179
00:47:49,950 --> 00:47:48,579
throw up in that pasture he want me to

1180
00:47:52,140 --> 00:47:49,960
get a team up there as soon as we could

1181
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:52,150
you know pretty good distance away it's

1182
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:54,130
already late at night but we got our

1183
00:47:58,140 --> 00:47:56,410
team together we got our equipment

1184
00:47:58,500 --> 00:47:58,150
checked out we've got our radios all

1185
00:48:00,780 --> 00:47:58,510
ready

1186
00:48:02,430 --> 00:48:00,790
and beer and other equipment and we

1187
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:02,440
found our way up to there and going up

1188
00:48:05,970 --> 00:48:04,330
there in early morning hours and we went

1189
00:48:08,010 --> 00:48:05,980
to the past year well actually we met

1190
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:08,020
the key witness who was actually the son

1191
00:48:12,450 --> 00:48:10,330
of the farmer who owned the farm with us

1192
00:48:15,210 --> 00:48:12,460
had taken place then his father arrived

1193
00:48:17,220 --> 00:48:15,220
and we went up to the farm and what we

1194
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:17,230
found out was that around 9:00 o'clock

1195
00:48:23,310 --> 00:48:20,890
about 15 people in that world area had

1196
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:23,320
observed this object a big red sphere

1197
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:25,690
about his biggest barn about a hundred

1198
00:48:29,970 --> 00:48:27,850
feet off the ground and slowly moving

1199
00:48:31,230 --> 00:48:29,980
downward and the people are all standing

1200
00:48:34,590 --> 00:48:31,240
outside watching this thing with

1201
00:48:36,570 --> 00:48:34,600
different directions and the farmer's

1202
00:48:38,250 --> 00:48:36,580
son was riding down the the farm leaned

1203
00:48:40,859 --> 00:48:38,260
towards his dad for him to visit him and

1204
00:48:42,780 --> 00:48:40,869
he sees this thing and he goes off to a

1205
00:48:46,050 --> 00:48:42,790
neighbor's house to get a better view

1206
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:46,060
point of it and he and some young boys

1207
00:48:49,470 --> 00:48:47,440
watch this thing it looks like it's

1208
00:48:51,420 --> 00:48:49,480
coming down so they decide they're gonna

1209
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:51,430
run up there and see what this thing is

1210
00:48:56,700 --> 00:48:53,680
but before they did that he went over to

1211
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:56,710
his dad's farm he grabs a 30.6 and a

1212
00:49:01,140 --> 00:48:58,960
handful of ammunition included in that

1213
00:49:03,930 --> 00:49:01,150
handful of ammunition were two tracers

1214
00:49:06,210 --> 00:49:03,940
they proceeded down the farm road he's

1215
00:49:08,460 --> 00:49:06,220
in his truck and they parked the truck

1216
00:49:10,530 --> 00:49:08,470
at an angle so they could see the path

1217
00:49:12,030 --> 00:49:10,540
going up towards the pasture and they

1218
00:49:14,099 --> 00:49:12,040
noticed that it looked like something

1219
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:14,109
was draining the power from the

1220
00:49:17,340 --> 00:49:15,490
headlights with the end they ran that

1221
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:17,350
happened before but that's something

1222
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:19,810
that's been very common historically

1223
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:22,720
with close-range UFO cases and as they

1224
00:49:26,010 --> 00:49:24,640
made their way up the hill to the top of

1225
00:49:27,780 --> 00:49:26,020
the passenger understanding they're

1226
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:27,790
looking they're standing there in

1227
00:49:34,290 --> 00:49:31,119
amazement because about 250 feet away is

1228
00:49:36,210 --> 00:49:34,300
his huge object that's on the ground or

1229
00:49:38,310 --> 00:49:36,220
right above it now as they were

1230
00:49:41,010 --> 00:49:38,320
approaching down that farm road towards

1231
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:41,020
the pasture in the distance dogs in the

1232
00:49:44,430 --> 00:49:42,250
area are going crazy

1233
00:49:47,010 --> 00:49:44,440
they had this high-pitched whining sound

1234
00:49:48,990 --> 00:49:47,020
and there's this baby crying sounds

1235
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:49,000
going on and they get louder as they

1236
00:49:53,099 --> 00:49:51,130
approach closer to the pasture when they

1237
00:49:55,710 --> 00:49:53,109
get up into the field they will look in

1238
00:49:57,690 --> 00:49:55,720
this object which is now like a big

1239
00:50:00,540 --> 00:49:57,700
maybe hundred foot or more in diameter

1240
00:50:02,550 --> 00:50:00,550
bright white dome does illuminating the

1241
00:50:04,349 --> 00:50:02,560
whole area making a high-pitched whining

1242
00:50:05,550 --> 00:50:04,359
noise and they're standing there in

1243
00:50:07,530 --> 00:50:05,560
amazement they can't believe what

1244
00:50:08,820 --> 00:50:07,540
they're seeing and they're studying this

1245
00:50:11,550 --> 00:50:08,830
thing trying to figure out what it is

1246
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:11,560
but then they notice it along this

1247
00:50:15,180 --> 00:50:12,160
bottom or

1248
00:50:16,890 --> 00:50:15,190
our fence line 75 feet away two tall

1249
00:50:18,779 --> 00:50:16,900
figures slowly walking in their

1250
00:50:20,789 --> 00:50:18,789
direction and their first thought of

1251
00:50:22,620 --> 00:50:20,799
course like he's got to be bear what

1252
00:50:24,420 --> 00:50:22,630
else could they be you know of course

1253
00:50:27,059 --> 00:50:24,430
the former Suns been hunting for years

1254
00:50:28,770 --> 00:50:27,069
and he knew bear and he said it was very

1255
00:50:29,339 --> 00:50:28,780
obvious very quickly these were not

1256
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:29,349
there

1257
00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:31,210
the waterfront was about eight feet tall

1258
00:50:35,789 --> 00:50:33,609
the one behind it was about seven feet

1259
00:50:36,779 --> 00:50:35,799
tall they were coming with long dark

1260
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:36,789
matted hair

1261
00:50:40,650 --> 00:50:39,250
they had bright green glowing on self

1262
00:50:42,660 --> 00:50:40,660
luminous and glowing eyes they were

1263
00:50:44,579 --> 00:50:42,670
making this baby crying sound the

1264
00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:44,589
alarmists were so long there was down to

1265
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:46,000
the ground they couldn't believe what

1266
00:50:50,490 --> 00:50:47,770
they were seeing so the one in front is

1267
00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:50,500
moving slowly ahead of the one behind it

1268
00:50:54,660 --> 00:50:52,510
and then walking along the barbed wire

1269
00:50:57,660 --> 00:50:54,670
fence well at one point one of the boys

1270
00:50:59,760 --> 00:50:57,670
yell shoot him shoot him the guy decides

1271
00:51:01,289 --> 00:50:59,770
to take a shot one of the boys is so

1272
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:01,299
skinny he runs out of the pasture the

1273
00:51:05,849 --> 00:51:03,490
guy takes the first shot which turns out

1274
00:51:07,740 --> 00:51:05,859
to be a tracer so for the hunters out

1275
00:51:09,210 --> 00:51:07,750
there they know you get to that luminous

1276
00:51:11,730 --> 00:51:09,220
trail that's all you get when they

1277
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:11,740
probably trace around he fired a second

1278
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:14,650
tracer but when he did something really

1279
00:51:19,019 --> 00:51:16,720
enough ting occurred the largest of the

1280
00:51:22,289 --> 00:51:19,029
two creatures made this loud crying

1281
00:51:25,019 --> 00:51:22,299
sound and reached out as though to grab

1282
00:51:27,660 --> 00:51:25,029
that tracer and the exact moment it did

1283
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:27,670
that the object in the field disappeared

1284
00:51:32,339 --> 00:51:30,490
it just vanished Stan Gordon's with us

1285
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:32,349
with Gene and Kris you're in little

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00:51:48,550 --> 00:51:43,380
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welcome back to the para cast the gold

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1340
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here's Jane Steinberg so there we go

1341
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:15,619
we're hitting our second segment for the

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power cast with Gina and Chris the book

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is astonishing encounters about

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Pennsylvania's unknown creatures Stan

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Gordon wrote the book and we're just

1346
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detailing case after case here and it's

1347
00:54:33,310 --> 00:54:31,640
just keeps going on so we have a lot of

1348
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questions from our listeners that Chris

1349
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will get to shore at least and I just

1350
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:37,730
want to ask you here as we're looking

1351
00:54:42,370 --> 00:54:40,850
over all these horrifying things here do

1352
00:54:45,010 --> 00:54:42,380
you find a situation that sometimes

1353
00:54:47,830 --> 00:54:45,020
happens elsewhere where you're

1354
00:54:50,020 --> 00:54:47,840
investigating a case possibly UFO

1355
00:54:52,599 --> 00:54:50,030
sighting but when you talk to the people

1356
00:54:54,340 --> 00:54:52,609
that's just the tip of the iceberg

1357
00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:54,350
there's a lot more going on with that

1358
00:54:58,180 --> 00:54:55,609
particular witness what's your

1359
00:54:59,890 --> 00:54:58,190
perception oh yeah that's that's not

1360
00:55:02,230 --> 00:54:59,900
unusual at all but you also you got to

1361
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:02,240
be very careful how you interview the

1362
00:55:05,470 --> 00:55:03,890
witnesses you don't want to put thoughts

1363
00:55:06,700 --> 00:55:05,480
in their minds you don't want to put

1364
00:55:08,050 --> 00:55:06,710
words in our mouths they're gonna be

1365
00:55:11,650 --> 00:55:08,060
really care well you interview people

1366
00:55:13,150 --> 00:55:11,660
but very commonly over the years when we

1367
00:55:15,130 --> 00:55:13,160
are out to different locations and

1368
00:55:17,500 --> 00:55:15,140
interviewing people about one type of

1369
00:55:19,330 --> 00:55:17,510
phenomena when you begin to listen to

1370
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:19,340
their story a lot of us are reluctant to

1371
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:21,530
bring it up but you find out that there

1372
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:23,090
was a lot of other things and they have

1373
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:24,890
been going on around their property as

1374
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:27,290
well you know some of them cause they

1375
00:55:31,630 --> 00:55:29,690
call you on a UFO case but then they're

1376
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:31,640
talking about hearing strange sounds and

1377
00:55:36,580 --> 00:55:34,010
they're Hannibal's reacting strange and

1378
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:36,590
hearing strange screams and then seeing

1379
00:55:42,190 --> 00:55:39,200
something large and airy or something

1380
00:55:44,260 --> 00:55:42,200
else and some of them have history of

1381
00:55:46,750 --> 00:55:44,270
other type of paranormal events and have

1382
00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:46,760
gone on themselves or other members of

1383
00:55:51,580 --> 00:55:50,240
family so quite often you begin to hear

1384
00:55:54,460 --> 00:55:51,590
these things that I've dealt with

1385
00:55:57,010 --> 00:55:54,470
multitudes of people over the years who

1386
00:55:58,480 --> 00:55:57,020
themselves that her family is adding

1387
00:56:01,480 --> 00:55:58,490
history is going with all kind of

1388
00:56:04,359 --> 00:56:01,490
phenomena Stan have you noticed like

1389
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:04,369
during flat periods like in 73 that

1390
00:56:09,079 --> 00:56:06,650
there's an unusual amount of government

1391
00:56:11,749 --> 00:56:09,089
or military activity in these air

1392
00:56:14,359 --> 00:56:11,759
have you noticed any sort of either

1393
00:56:16,459 --> 00:56:14,369
official or unofficial apparent interest

1394
00:56:20,959 --> 00:56:16,469
by the government in these flap areas

1395
00:56:24,199 --> 00:56:20,969
and these these inexplicable events that

1396
00:56:25,849 --> 00:56:24,209
are being reported I can say yes what I

1397
00:56:27,439 --> 00:56:25,859
should do if you know much maybe I

1398
00:56:29,809 --> 00:56:27,449
should finish at the end of that story

1399
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:29,819
because that's what we might bring in

1400
00:56:33,949 --> 00:56:31,920
some of this other questions you're

1401
00:56:35,959 --> 00:56:33,959
asking about okay cool yeah let's finish

1402
00:56:39,529 --> 00:56:35,969
up with that because we're getting to

1403
00:56:42,650 --> 00:56:39,539
the good part little summary here so the

1404
00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:42,660
object is physically disappears after

1405
00:56:48,499 --> 00:56:45,569
the man shot that at that tracer at that

1406
00:56:51,169 --> 00:56:48,509
large creature and at that point the two

1407
00:56:53,449 --> 00:56:51,179
creatures slowly turn around sort of

1408
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:53,459
walking back towards the woods along the

1409
00:56:58,819 --> 00:56:56,249
barbed-wire fence at that point the

1410
00:57:01,519 --> 00:56:58,829
Masters firing live ammo into creatures

1411
00:57:03,049 --> 00:57:01,529
and I remember I was in touch with him

1412
00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:03,059
four years after this happened he's now

1413
00:57:07,969 --> 00:57:06,089
deceased and he told me how he'll never

1414
00:57:09,559 --> 00:57:07,979
forget how that the biggest of the

1415
00:57:12,049 --> 00:57:09,569
creature with his glowing green eyes

1416
00:57:15,499 --> 00:57:12,059
just started just kept staring back at

1417
00:57:17,569 --> 00:57:15,509
him as he's fired into it with the 3006

1418
00:57:19,459 --> 00:57:17,579
and there's no effect on these creatures

1419
00:57:21,319 --> 00:57:19,469
whatsoever which you know I don't

1420
00:57:23,719 --> 00:57:21,329
recommend people shooting these things

1421
00:57:25,699 --> 00:57:23,729
but during the time it happened as I

1422
00:57:27,049 --> 00:57:25,709
mentioned my solid invasion book when I

1423
00:57:30,349 --> 00:57:27,059
go into great detail about all these

1424
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:30,359
cases that numerous people did shoot at

1425
00:57:34,039 --> 00:57:31,650
these creatures with different type of

1426
00:57:35,359 --> 00:57:34,049
weapons and there was no indication that

1427
00:57:38,919 --> 00:57:35,369
they were slowed down or heard

1428
00:57:41,660 --> 00:57:38,929
whatsoever and so anyhow at that point

1429
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:41,670
these fellows run back to the truck get

1430
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:43,890
out of the area go back to the farmhouse

1431
00:57:47,689 --> 00:57:46,319
they take the family out of there to a

1432
00:57:50,239 --> 00:57:47,699
neighbor and they call the State Police

1433
00:57:53,089 --> 00:57:50,249
when the trooper arrives 45 minutes

1434
00:57:55,699 --> 00:57:53,099
later he said I'm here to investigate

1435
00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:55,709
the incident and the witness was very

1436
00:57:58,459 --> 00:57:57,119
reluctant pocket but he said look just

1437
00:58:00,529 --> 00:57:58,469
forget about it again think I'm crazy

1438
00:58:03,469 --> 00:58:00,539
and the trooper said look we had a

1439
00:58:05,479 --> 00:58:03,479
report last night the night before of

1440
00:58:08,029 --> 00:58:05,489
two similar creatures up on the mountain

1441
00:58:09,529 --> 00:58:08,039
I have to investigate the incident so

1442
00:58:11,989 --> 00:58:09,539
they go up in the troop car from the

1443
00:58:14,059 --> 00:58:11,999
patrol car up into the up into the

1444
00:58:15,709 --> 00:58:14,069
pasture and they're looking around for

1445
00:58:18,439 --> 00:58:15,719
evidence and what the trooper told me

1446
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:18,449
was over on the in the area where the

1447
00:58:22,310 --> 00:58:20,160
object was on the ground or right above

1448
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:22,320
it that whole area was

1449
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:24,450
self-luminous I'm glowing but a hundred

1450
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:26,490
feet or more in diameter the farm

1451
00:58:30,290 --> 00:58:28,650
animals wouldn't go into it give

1452
00:58:32,300 --> 00:58:30,300
Shanghai this flashlight beam include he

1453
00:58:34,700 --> 00:58:32,310
could barely see the beam he said if he

1454
00:58:36,620 --> 00:58:34,710
had a newspaper he could sat down within

1455
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:36,630
that glowing area and read the newspaper

1456
00:58:41,780 --> 00:58:39,810
from the light coming off of it and it

1457
00:58:46,670 --> 00:58:41,790
began to get even stranger and stranger

1458
00:58:48,380 --> 00:58:46,680
the accounts at that point they sue

1459
00:58:50,210 --> 00:58:48,390
after they went back to the barracks

1460
00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:50,220
when they back went back to a State

1461
00:58:54,980 --> 00:58:53,040
Police barracks but the trooper and the

1462
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:54,990
witness were taken to two separate rooms

1463
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:57,810
and were separately interviewed and then

1464
00:59:03,530 --> 00:59:00,240
they contacted me to send me my team up

1465
00:59:05,660 --> 00:59:03,540
and then other things got even stranger

1466
00:59:08,090 --> 00:59:05,670
which one you get to have time to even

1467
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:08,100
get into got stranger while we were

1468
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:09,210
there on the scene that night

1469
00:59:13,220 --> 00:59:11,610
the late dr. Berthold Schwartz whose

1470
00:59:16,190 --> 00:59:13,230
name you probably recognize it with a

1471
00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:16,200
crane well-known psychiatrist he came up

1472
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:17,760
here on his own spent about a week up

1473
00:59:21,020 --> 00:59:19,650
here interviewing all the people who

1474
00:59:22,820 --> 00:59:21,030
were involved in the case and went away

1475
00:59:25,610 --> 00:59:22,830
convinced these people all tell them the

1476
00:59:28,010 --> 00:59:25,620
truth but it's a very very intriguing

1477
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:28,020
story which I wrote the whole thing up

1478
00:59:32,270 --> 00:59:29,760
with solid Beijing then because it's

1479
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:32,280
very deep them and get extremely even

1480
00:59:37,010 --> 00:59:34,530
stranger that's interesting but not

1481
00:59:41,210 --> 00:59:37,020
answer your question there were a number

1482
00:59:46,030 --> 00:59:41,220
of things that happened during the 70s

1483
00:59:48,650 --> 00:59:46,040
even before the 70s and cases since then

1484
00:59:50,060 --> 00:59:48,660
some of the cases did I work on which

1485
00:59:51,890 --> 00:59:50,070
suggested that there may have been a

1486
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:51,900
government interest and what was going

1487
00:59:57,290 --> 00:59:54,690
on but yes I can tell you during that

1488
00:59:59,660 --> 00:59:57,300
time period the 73 and 74 was this

1489
01:00:03,650 --> 00:59:59,670
massive wave a number of other things

1490
01:00:06,890 --> 01:00:03,660
had occurred I can tell you that there

1491
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:06,900
were some strange accounts one was a an

1492
01:00:14,420 --> 01:00:11,730
incident at a trailer park where we had

1493
01:00:16,550 --> 01:00:14,430
been out investigating another incident

1494
01:00:18,620 --> 01:00:16,560
in a little town called harmony and

1495
01:00:21,410 --> 01:00:18,630
there had been a sighting that evening

1496
01:00:24,530 --> 01:00:21,420
of a Bigfoot about 45 feet away for with

1497
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:24,540
us in the garden not far from this dog

1498
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:26,010
was going crazy when this thing was

1499
01:00:30,140 --> 01:00:28,410
nearby and the State Police took all my

1500
01:00:32,180 --> 01:00:30,150
team to go out to investigate it we are

1501
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:32,190
down there investigating it and as we're

1502
01:00:35,660 --> 01:00:34,410
finishing up that evening we get a call

1503
01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:35,670
over the

1504
01:00:40,460 --> 01:00:38,400
on one radio my car that the state that

1505
01:00:43,220 --> 01:00:40,470
the police of a dairy township which

1506
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:43,230
again that's borders the chestnut bridge

1507
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:45,599
on Westlaw County it still is one of the

1508
01:00:50,329 --> 01:00:47,490
most active there is year after year for

1509
01:00:52,250 --> 01:00:50,339
Bigfoot encounters why we don't know but

1510
01:00:55,549 --> 01:00:52,260
anyhow today an incident that evening

1511
01:00:59,960 --> 01:00:55,559
how does the out of this mobile home

1512
01:01:01,549 --> 01:00:59,970
community and they wanted our team up

1513
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:01,559
there as soon as we could so we left

1514
01:01:07,039 --> 01:01:03,450
from the other scene and proceeded up to

1515
01:01:08,780 --> 01:01:07,049
that location and anyhow when we got

1516
01:01:11,930 --> 01:01:08,790
there we found out that people in this

1517
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:11,940
mobile home they heard something

1518
01:01:16,130 --> 01:01:13,890
scratching on the back of the trailer or

1519
01:01:18,710 --> 01:01:16,140
like a baby crying sound and the power

1520
01:01:20,059 --> 01:01:18,720
was going on or off in their mobile so

1521
01:01:21,620 --> 01:01:20,069
when we got there we interviewed the

1522
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:21,630
people we found out the woman had open

1523
01:01:25,490 --> 01:01:23,730
up the back door and here's a Bigfoot

1524
01:01:27,410 --> 01:01:25,500
that thing standing there it runs

1525
01:01:30,170 --> 01:01:27,420
between the trailers other people see it

1526
01:01:33,260 --> 01:01:30,180
as it screams and runs off but we also

1527
01:01:35,059 --> 01:01:33,270
found that the main power line here's a

1528
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:35,069
power connection again from the power

1529
01:01:39,140 --> 01:01:37,530
supply that went underground to the

1530
01:01:42,020 --> 01:01:39,150
trailer had been pulled out of the

1531
01:01:44,089 --> 01:01:42,030
ground and found that very fascinating

1532
01:01:45,859 --> 01:01:44,099
the police got there before we did found

1533
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:45,869
some footprints possibly prints and

1534
01:01:50,030 --> 01:01:47,730
preserve them for us to look at we got

1535
01:01:52,309 --> 01:01:50,040
there but here's the interesting thing

1536
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:52,319
of some of the oddities I believe was

1537
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:53,970
about a week later and I wrote it in my

1538
01:01:57,740 --> 01:01:56,130
book a chem real exact date now we got a

1539
01:02:00,200 --> 01:01:57,750
call we I was on the phone with another

1540
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:00,210
call when I got an emergency call from

1541
01:02:05,569 --> 01:02:03,690
the operator breaking in that the woman

1542
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:05,579
at that site needed to talk to me right

1543
01:02:12,260 --> 01:02:08,970
away and when she did she told me that

1544
01:02:15,710 --> 01:02:12,270
this man had showed up at the probe

1545
01:02:17,780 --> 01:02:15,720
court he was acting very unusual he

1546
01:02:20,569 --> 01:02:17,790
indicated to her that he knew me or was

1547
01:02:21,710 --> 01:02:20,579
working with me and I he wanted to talk

1548
01:02:22,039 --> 01:02:21,720
to her about the incident the other

1549
01:02:24,140 --> 01:02:22,049
night

1550
01:02:27,470 --> 01:02:24,150
and the reason she called was she had

1551
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:27,480
found some hair right over along the

1552
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:29,609
part of the trailer where the footprints

1553
01:02:33,740 --> 01:02:31,290
were and she wanted me to have these

1554
01:02:36,589 --> 01:02:33,750
hair samples and she couldn't get a hold

1555
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:36,599
of me and this guy told her that he

1556
01:02:39,829 --> 01:02:38,010
would take the samples had given to me

1557
01:02:40,490 --> 01:02:39,839
and of course we never found out who

1558
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:40,500
that guy was

1559
01:02:45,410 --> 01:02:42,450
and I never received the samples but

1560
01:02:47,539 --> 01:02:45,420
before he left there was a little boy

1561
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:47,549
standing there with a I believe one of

1562
01:02:52,010 --> 01:02:49,410
those old Polaroid cameras you pulled

1563
01:02:53,570 --> 01:02:52,020
and the film came out and exposed right

1564
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:53,580
there on the scene he was taking some

1565
01:02:59,390 --> 01:02:56,610
pictures of the footprint and he went

1566
01:03:01,820 --> 01:02:59,400
over and pulled the the pictures out of

1567
01:03:03,290 --> 01:03:01,830
the kids hand and tore him up and maybe

1568
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:03,300
some kind of comment you get maybe

1569
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:04,890
pictures for us and the guy wasn't

1570
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:06,960
destroyed the footprints and people

1571
01:03:10,940 --> 01:03:09,090
start yelling and he got out or really

1572
01:03:13,970 --> 01:03:10,950
quickly said he almost turned to the car

1573
01:03:15,500 --> 01:03:13,980
sideways speeding out of the area and we

1574
01:03:18,410 --> 01:03:15,510
never did find out who this guy was

1575
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:18,420
so that was interesting but glancing

1576
01:03:23,810 --> 01:03:21,690
back to that case in Fayette County at

1577
01:03:27,020 --> 01:03:23,820
the UFL landing in the Bigfoot very

1578
01:03:28,970 --> 01:03:27,030
intriguing case we spent many days up in

1579
01:03:31,610 --> 01:03:28,980
that area going back to interviewing

1580
01:03:34,550 --> 01:03:31,620
people searching the area check it up on

1581
01:03:36,980 --> 01:03:34,560
that case and for years we did follow-up

1582
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:36,990
investigations the book is astonishing

1583
01:03:41,900 --> 01:03:39,450
encounters we're talking to Stan Gordon

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01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:41,910
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that's all I have to do these incredibly

1700
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I'm loving these little details like

1701
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:18,880
Bigfoot sounding like babies whining or

1702
01:08:26,459 --> 01:08:21,489
crying that's an unusual detail that I'm

1703
01:08:28,499 --> 01:08:26,469
not aware of from other cases that's a

1704
01:08:31,140 --> 01:08:28,509
pretty interesting little correlation

1705
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:31,150
there oh yeah that was very common you

1706
01:08:35,610 --> 01:08:33,370
know back in the day and even you know

1707
01:08:37,950 --> 01:08:35,620
more recent years these people have told

1708
01:08:40,740 --> 01:08:37,960
us these things make sounds like a woman

1709
01:08:43,829 --> 01:08:40,750
pain screaming baby crying high-pitched

1710
01:08:46,470 --> 01:08:43,839
whistle another thing was very common

1711
01:08:48,689 --> 01:08:46,480
case where people said these things were

1712
01:08:50,340 --> 01:08:48,699
making sounds as though they were having

1713
01:08:54,209 --> 01:08:50,350
trouble breathing like they were having

1714
01:08:57,180 --> 01:08:54,219
like asthma very very deep breathing

1715
01:08:58,769 --> 01:08:57,190
sounds in fact during one night on one

1716
01:09:01,019 --> 01:08:58,779
of the forms of these things kept coming

1717
01:09:02,579 --> 01:09:01,029
back and he see what a big quirt filled

1718
01:09:04,590 --> 01:09:02,589
this thing it just come right by the

1719
01:09:06,629 --> 01:09:04,600
barn into the barn we had footprints in

1720
01:09:08,700 --> 01:09:06,639
there and this thing was running through

1721
01:09:11,099 --> 01:09:08,710
the cornfield and we were chasing it

1722
01:09:13,289 --> 01:09:11,109
through the cornfield in the dark trying

1723
01:09:15,059 --> 01:09:13,299
to catch up this thing while it's making

1724
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:15,069
these loud sounds and I was recording

1725
01:09:20,189 --> 01:09:16,449
the sounds as I'm running through the

1726
01:09:22,050 --> 01:09:20,199
field after it geez I'm not sure if I'd

1727
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:22,060
have the cojones to run after a Bigfoot

1728
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:26,770
with a tape recorder watch a lot of

1729
01:09:31,050 --> 01:09:28,690
shows over the years been on TV with

1730
01:09:33,149 --> 01:09:31,060
Bigfoot investigators and they're also

1731
01:09:35,340 --> 01:09:33,159
looking for Bigfoot and as I recall some

1732
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:35,350
among few years ago when they heard or

1733
01:09:40,620 --> 01:09:36,850
saw something they never went after it

1734
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:40,630
or what they office away yes and they

1735
01:09:44,970 --> 01:09:42,250
have the destroy I want to tell you

1736
01:09:46,740 --> 01:09:44,980
about was what happened in one of our

1737
01:09:48,899 --> 01:09:46,750
follow-up investigations with one of the

1738
01:09:51,180 --> 01:09:48,909
key witnesses I believe was back in the

1739
01:09:54,330 --> 01:09:51,190
1980s and we went back to follow up and

1740
01:09:57,090 --> 01:09:54,340
do some fun with it with the main key

1741
01:09:59,340 --> 01:09:57,100
witness and we started talking now we

1742
01:10:02,220 --> 01:09:59,350
never did any hypnosis with him because

1743
01:10:05,220 --> 01:10:02,230
some very hard things happened to him in

1744
01:10:07,830 --> 01:10:05,230
the field that night and we never did

1745
01:10:10,410 --> 01:10:07,840
any hypnosis with him but now years

1746
01:10:13,050 --> 01:10:10,420
later we considered maybe that

1747
01:10:16,020 --> 01:10:13,060
possibility so I'm there with my

1748
01:10:17,669 --> 01:10:16,030
assistant the late George Lutz George

1749
01:10:21,149 --> 01:10:17,679
worked out with me in the fields in

1750
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:21,159
about 1971 and he passed away years ago

1751
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:22,810
he was a retired major in the Air Force

1752
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:25,210
Reserve and it was a very good

1753
01:10:30,060 --> 01:10:27,370
outdoorsman and we investigated many

1754
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:30,070
many cases together and we were falling

1755
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:33,370
up in this case and as we're talking

1756
01:10:37,290 --> 01:10:35,170
about hypnosis the witness looks

1757
01:10:39,090 --> 01:10:37,300
thoughtful says why do you want to do it

1758
01:10:40,770 --> 01:10:39,100
again and we looked at he said like what

1759
01:10:42,570 --> 01:10:40,780
are you talking about and he said well

1760
01:10:44,180 --> 01:10:42,580
back when it happened he said he was

1761
01:10:46,410 --> 01:10:44,190
tell us about an incident happened maybe

1762
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:46,420
110 remember two to three weeks after it

1763
01:10:51,750 --> 01:10:49,090
happened 1973 and we said what are you

1764
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:51,760
talking about well all these years he

1765
01:10:57,090 --> 01:10:54,489
thought that these two mystery men who

1766
01:10:58,740 --> 01:10:57,100
met with him were part of my group one

1767
01:11:01,470 --> 01:10:58,750
of the guys had met with him there was

1768
01:11:04,590 --> 01:11:01,480
two men and came to his house to follow

1769
01:11:06,899 --> 01:11:04,600
up we found out at the time one was

1770
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:06,909
dressed in an Air Force uniform the

1771
01:11:13,290 --> 01:11:10,000
other one was innocent I believe it was

1772
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:13,300
the Air Force man that arrived there on

1773
01:11:20,459 --> 01:11:17,050
the scene that he had with him he was

1774
01:11:23,010 --> 01:11:20,469
carrying a like a briefcase within the

1775
01:11:25,530 --> 01:11:23,020
Air Force officer and they wanted him to

1776
01:11:27,570 --> 01:11:25,540
go into detail about what he remembered

1777
01:11:29,490 --> 01:11:27,580
that night what they craft what the UFO

1778
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:29,500
look like what the creature looked like

1779
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:31,690
and he gave a lot of details and

1780
01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:34,330
surprise the Air Force guy open up the

1781
01:11:38,459 --> 01:11:35,920
briefcase they had all these photographs

1782
01:11:40,260 --> 01:11:38,469
of both UFOs and Bigfoot and I remember

1783
01:11:42,510 --> 01:11:40,270
him telling me that one of the pictures

1784
01:11:45,300 --> 01:11:42,520
of a Bigfoot was his large hairy

1785
01:11:47,490 --> 01:11:45,310
creature climbing over a fence I believe

1786
01:11:49,620 --> 01:11:47,500
in Georgia with the dead pig under his

1787
01:11:52,830 --> 01:11:49,630
arm and they wanted to know if it looks

1788
01:11:54,150 --> 01:11:52,840
similar what he saw and then they asked

1789
01:11:56,459 --> 01:11:54,160
permission they said they'd like to

1790
01:11:58,709 --> 01:11:56,469
hypnotize him and apparently they did at

1791
01:12:00,720 --> 01:11:58,719
that time and after it was done they

1792
01:12:03,270 --> 01:12:00,730
said you know we'll be in touch with you

1793
01:12:06,209 --> 01:12:03,280
and he never heard from them again they

1794
01:12:10,140 --> 01:12:06,219
hopped into their 1950s here a brand new

1795
01:12:12,180 --> 01:12:10,150
black Cadillac and disappear but you

1796
01:12:14,490 --> 01:12:12,190
also have Lee has been government

1797
01:12:17,939 --> 01:12:14,500
interests and I can tell you during that

1798
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:17,949
time period there was some other mystery

1799
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:20,890
men events were going on as we're about

1800
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:23,770
to go all these cases but I did receive

1801
01:12:28,590 --> 01:12:26,530
a call from a man who told me that he

1802
01:12:30,330 --> 01:12:28,600
worked for the government that they were

1803
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:30,340
very interested in the investigations

1804
01:12:36,300 --> 01:12:33,850
we're doing on Bigfoot I was given the

1805
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:36,310
name of the phone number and address and

1806
01:12:41,700 --> 01:12:38,650
the contact for a lab in Washington DC

1807
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:41,710
in the event that we come across any

1808
01:12:46,260 --> 01:12:44,050
bodies or any really significant

1809
01:12:47,850 --> 01:12:46,270
physical evidence which I never had the

1810
01:12:50,490 --> 01:12:47,860
opportunity to meet unfortunately at

1811
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:50,500
that time but later on I can tell you

1812
01:12:55,140 --> 01:12:53,440
that I was actually visited and I was in

1813
01:12:58,410 --> 01:12:55,150
touch with these guys for years another

1814
01:13:00,540 --> 01:12:58,420
at least one of my knows deceased they

1815
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:00,550
were actually representatives out of a

1816
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:03,010
government of our government and they

1817
01:13:06,510 --> 01:13:04,810
came at the time and we're very

1818
01:13:09,330 --> 01:13:06,520
interesting what I was doing for very

1819
01:13:12,060 --> 01:13:09,340
supportive you know I knew these guys

1820
01:13:13,770 --> 01:13:12,070
for years after it happened anyhow they

1821
01:13:15,450 --> 01:13:13,780
were able to I gave him the phone number

1822
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:15,460
I was given they confirmed it was a an

1823
01:13:20,939 --> 01:13:18,250
intern actual government official number

1824
01:13:22,500 --> 01:13:20,949
in Washington so yes there were some

1825
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:22,510
interrupt things taking place

1826
01:13:27,930 --> 01:13:24,610
well and then of course your very first

1827
01:13:31,740 --> 01:13:27,940
cases the infamous Kecksburg event is

1828
01:13:34,770 --> 01:13:31,750
filled with convoys and and and you know

1829
01:13:36,900 --> 01:13:34,780
security people keeping locals away from

1830
01:13:39,689 --> 01:13:36,910
the area where this this strange

1831
01:13:42,660 --> 01:13:39,699
acorn-shaped object came down for some

1832
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:42,670
of our new listeners who maybe aren't

1833
01:13:45,569 --> 01:13:44,530
familiar with the Kecksburg case once

1834
01:13:48,299 --> 01:13:45,579
you give us a quick thumb

1835
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:48,309
on that one especially mention what

1836
01:13:54,569 --> 01:13:51,489
happened what you suspect happened after

1837
01:13:56,310 --> 01:13:54,579
the object was carted away okay well we

1838
01:13:57,780 --> 01:13:56,320
can spend days talking about texts

1839
01:13:59,700 --> 01:13:57,790
forgetting as you may or may not be

1840
01:14:03,240 --> 01:13:59,710
aware this year is the 50th anniversary

1841
01:14:05,819 --> 01:14:03,250
so December 9th 1965 has want to happen

1842
01:14:07,919 --> 01:14:05,829
this is the 50th anniversary approaching

1843
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:07,929
so I've spent 50 years investigating

1844
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:11,050
this incident I was 16 years old when it

1845
01:14:15,870 --> 01:14:11,650
happened

1846
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:15,880
Thursday night December 9 1965 and as

1847
01:14:21,419 --> 01:14:19,090
you realized my interest began in 1959

1848
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:21,429
when I was 10 years old and to your

1849
01:14:25,229 --> 01:14:23,290
surprise of yours because all the years

1850
01:14:28,799 --> 01:14:25,239
I've been doing this which now says here

1851
01:14:32,250 --> 01:14:28,809
was 56 years I have never had my own UFO

1852
01:14:34,319 --> 01:14:32,260
or Bigfoot encounter and a lot of people

1853
01:14:37,350 --> 01:14:34,329
what are you what keeps you going Stan

1854
01:14:39,330 --> 01:14:37,360
what keeps you going keeps you going is

1855
01:14:42,180 --> 01:14:39,340
the fact that you get people year after

1856
01:14:44,250 --> 01:14:42,190
year whose lives are still changed by

1857
01:14:47,100 --> 01:14:44,260
these events that something's going on

1858
01:14:49,140 --> 01:14:47,110
year after year that still we have no

1859
01:14:51,930 --> 01:14:49,150
explanation for and I guess I'm always

1860
01:14:54,450 --> 01:14:51,940
hopeful that that next call that next

1861
01:14:56,399 --> 01:14:54,460
case will provide the evidence that

1862
01:15:00,569 --> 01:14:56,409
finally may close up on some of these

1863
01:15:02,220 --> 01:15:00,579
events but as well that brings me to to

1864
01:15:04,740 --> 01:15:02,230
one of the questions here in our

1865
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:04,750
question Bank by gods McKay who was one

1866
01:15:09,450 --> 01:15:06,400
of our staff members here at the pair

1867
01:15:11,729 --> 01:15:09,460
cast and he mentions here that both were

1868
01:15:14,370 --> 01:15:11,739
in Kecksburg and Roswell supposedly had

1869
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:14,380
military personnel threatening locals to

1870
01:15:19,410 --> 01:15:16,570
keep silent and I he wonders if you've

1871
01:15:21,330 --> 01:15:19,420
ever checked in to the legality of US

1872
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:21,340
Armed Forces giving such orders on US

1873
01:15:25,109 --> 01:15:23,290
soil and peacetime and after you've

1874
01:15:27,830 --> 01:15:25,119
maybe address that question and let's

1875
01:15:32,100 --> 01:15:27,840
get a quick sort of blow-by-blow account

1876
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:32,110
of the actual Kecksburg event and some

1877
01:15:37,919 --> 01:15:35,290
here 50 years worth urinalysis summed up

1878
01:15:40,169 --> 01:15:37,929
that's for me to give you some scenario

1879
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:40,179
what took place and then go in with some

1880
01:15:45,660 --> 01:15:42,610
of that and remind me also about very

1881
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:45,670
interesting men in black situation with

1882
01:15:52,950 --> 01:15:50,610
the Kecksburg incident so actually my my

1883
01:15:55,410 --> 01:15:52,960
interest in the men in black actually

1884
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:55,420
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Spears's goes back to Kecksburg in 1955

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let's do our break here stand and then

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we'll talk about the men in black of

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course we call them the men in black the

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hi this is James Fox from chasing UFOs

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you're listening to the panic at the

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gold standard of paranormal radio so

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Stan Gordon I was gonna ask you about

2010
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:07,210
men in black because we discussed them

2011
01:21:11,990 --> 01:21:09,610
on last week's show with Nick Redfern so

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you've heard about people who run into

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so-called men in black are they

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supposedly least the encounters you've

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01:21:21,210 --> 01:21:18,910
heard about those who seem to be

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government agents or something else well

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I I think from some of the accounts of

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her from different people's on the case

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I looked at that we may be dealing with

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01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:30,100
more than one origin for something these

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01:21:35,430 --> 01:21:33,250
mystery men reports but it's very

2022
01:21:37,830 --> 01:21:35,440
fascinating and and over the years

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01:21:40,620 --> 01:21:37,840
because of a different case a bit of

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01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:40,630
with some of them are very very strange

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01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:41,890
and counselors from when I'm recording

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01:21:46,050 --> 01:21:44,290
for many many years ago and other cases

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01:21:48,090 --> 01:21:46,060
suggest it may well be government

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01:21:49,500 --> 01:21:48,100
related so let me tell you about the

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01:21:51,900 --> 01:21:49,510
Kecksburg case it all might relate

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01:21:54,210 --> 01:21:51,910
before we go on hearing about the men in

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01:21:56,340 --> 01:21:54,220
black in Kecksburg I don't want to say

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01:21:59,310 --> 01:21:56,350
that we're encountering any men in black

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01:22:01,950 --> 01:21:59,320
phenomenon here but it seems that over

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the past few weeks were hooked up with

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Chris through a pretty solid Skype

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01:22:09,330 --> 01:22:06,760
connection and he keeps getting knocked

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01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:09,340
off so I don't know we're gonna have to

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explore that okay Stan tell us about the

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01:22:16,830 --> 01:22:14,440
MIB let's go back to Kecksburg it

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01:22:20,310 --> 01:22:16,840
started on Thursday night December 9

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1965 I'm 16 years old I'm tuning in the

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ktk radio in Pittsburgh they have a

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well-known radio talk show it's called

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contact the hosts of the show kids from

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01:22:30,810 --> 01:22:29,110
was the late Mike Levine the reason to

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01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:30,820
nyanma listen the show is he had Frank

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01:22:35,610 --> 01:22:33,520
Edwards on who well-known reporter had

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written some books on unusual phenomena

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01:22:39,090 --> 01:22:37,480
flying saucers and I want to hear what

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01:22:42,990 --> 01:22:39,100
Frank Edwards had to say he's listening

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01:22:46,500 --> 01:22:43,000
to the radio show and interestingly

2052
01:22:48,540 --> 01:22:46,510
almost the entire program is focusing on

2053
01:22:50,610 --> 01:22:48,550
this breaking news story of this

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01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:50,620
brilliant fiery object that was seen

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from Ontario Canada sense of remission

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Ohio Pennsylvania

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apparently this object whatever was

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moved in over the Greater Pittsburgh

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01:23:04,109 --> 01:23:01,780
area about 447

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p.m. that afternoon it's almost dark in

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Pittsburgh at the time and there are

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multitudes of reports coming in from

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widespread areas to the Pittsburgh area

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radio TV newspapers all the media

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sources police departments a lot of

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people thought an airplane exploded in

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the sky so there's no I think he has to

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01:23:22,859 --> 01:23:21,280
follow up on it that night I began to

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write all the notes down I was getting

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01:23:25,950 --> 01:23:24,880
from the broadcast I'm running back and

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01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:25,960
forth between the old black-and-white

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console TV and the radio is listening

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01:23:33,750 --> 01:23:31,389
the trike is updates and in Pittsburgh

2074
01:23:37,260 --> 01:23:33,760
KDK TV was breaking in with live reports

2075
01:23:39,510 --> 01:23:37,270
that evening that the military was now

2076
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arriving in the Kecksburg area to search

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01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:41,440
for an unidentified flying object

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01:23:45,810 --> 01:23:43,449
so Kecksburg is a little farming

2079
01:23:48,299 --> 01:23:45,820
community the 40 miles southeast of

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01:23:50,010 --> 01:23:48,309
Pittsburgh so this object is seen over

2081
01:23:52,830 --> 01:23:50,020
the Greater Pittsburgh area what's

2082
01:23:54,810 --> 01:23:52,840
fascinating is as as the evening goes on

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01:23:58,020 --> 01:23:54,820
this was the major news story on

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01:23:59,580 --> 01:23:58,030
Pittsburgh area radio and TV and it's

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01:24:01,229 --> 01:23:59,590
being broadcast and they're telling

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01:24:03,419 --> 01:24:01,239
people this object reportedly saw in

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01:24:05,669 --> 01:24:03,429
Westmoreland County and hundreds of

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01:24:07,140 --> 01:24:05,679
people descend on this little farming

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01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:07,150
community to try to get a look at the

2090
01:24:12,060 --> 01:24:09,010
object which is down in the wooded

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01:24:13,470 --> 01:24:12,070
ravine so not only do you have civilians

2092
01:24:15,740 --> 01:24:13,480
all over the place but you have

2093
01:24:19,799 --> 01:24:15,750
reporters there from all the major news

2094
01:24:22,589 --> 01:24:19,809
agencies radio TV newspapers they've

2095
01:24:25,319 --> 01:24:22,599
become a part of the story because they

2096
01:24:27,899 --> 01:24:25,329
either see or interact with some of the

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01:24:29,819 --> 01:24:27,909
military on the scene and now the

2098
01:24:31,859 --> 01:24:29,829
interesting thing is you know of course

2099
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:31,869
I was 16 years old with you know driving

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01:24:35,220 --> 01:24:33,730
and had no way to go out to the area so

2101
01:24:37,799 --> 01:24:35,230
I'm listening to all the news broadcast

2102
01:24:40,169 --> 01:24:37,809
at night the next day it's the headlines

2103
01:24:42,750 --> 01:24:40,179
and most all the local papers it made

2104
01:24:45,209 --> 01:24:42,760
national news ap UPI picked up the story

2105
01:24:46,890 --> 01:24:45,219
there was our local paper the green

2106
01:24:49,169 --> 01:24:46,900
security if you had two editions the

2107
01:24:51,779 --> 01:24:49,179
early morning Edition had army ropes off

2108
01:24:54,029 --> 01:24:51,789
area unidentified flying object falls

2109
01:24:55,859 --> 01:24:54,039
near Kecksburg and it went on to say

2110
01:24:58,229 --> 01:24:55,869
that something apparently fell in the

2111
01:25:00,720 --> 01:24:58,239
woods nobody is being allowed anywhere

2112
01:25:02,220 --> 01:25:00,730
near the object that there was parked at

2113
01:25:04,620 --> 01:25:02,230
in they've been contaminated with

2114
01:25:06,990 --> 01:25:04,630
radiation that they're awaiting the

2115
01:25:08,729 --> 01:25:07,000
arrival of Army engineers and civilians

2116
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:08,739
scientists to examine whatever they have

2117
01:25:13,529 --> 01:25:11,170
been and then the later Edition has a

2118
01:25:14,810 --> 01:25:13,539
number of different stories including

2119
01:25:17,540 --> 01:25:14,820
one that has

2120
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:17,550
searchers fail to find object and it

2121
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:19,650
goes on to say that yes there was a

2122
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:21,690
search but the authorities found

2123
01:25:26,780 --> 01:25:24,810
absolutely nothing they blamed it on it

2124
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:26,790
was just imagination and what people saw

2125
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:28,890
was a great meteor in the sky but

2126
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:30,690
nothing had fallen to the ground and

2127
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:33,810
that is basically how officially it

2128
01:25:39,580 --> 01:25:37,770
remains today so I remember within days

2129
01:25:41,990 --> 01:25:39,590
and I'm just giving a very abbreviated

2130
01:25:43,970 --> 01:25:42,000
aspect of this right now within days

2131
01:25:45,980 --> 01:25:43,980
after it happened we'll talk all around

2132
01:25:48,260 --> 01:25:45,990
that area that people saw a large

2133
01:25:50,570 --> 01:25:48,270
military flatbed tractor trailer

2134
01:25:52,220 --> 01:25:50,580
carrying a large parked object out of

2135
01:25:55,790 --> 01:25:52,230
the area late that night which actually

2136
01:25:58,670 --> 01:25:55,800
is only the next morning and I can tell

2137
01:26:00,770 --> 01:25:58,680
you that in the summer of 1990 before I

2138
01:26:04,390 --> 01:26:00,780
did the unsolved mysteries our TV

2139
01:26:06,710 --> 01:26:04,400
premiere on this case that a man

2140
01:26:09,230 --> 01:26:06,720
contacted me check his background out

2141
01:26:11,270 --> 01:26:09,240
and he didn't know that actually it's

2142
01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:11,280
another person who was at the base and

2143
01:26:17,270 --> 01:26:15,360
also confirmed the story but he told me

2144
01:26:19,790 --> 01:26:17,280
he was he was a member of the air police

2145
01:26:21,830 --> 01:26:19,800
a security team that guarded the object

2146
01:26:24,500 --> 01:26:21,840
when it came in from Pennsylvania the

2147
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:24,510
lock board Air Force Base near Columbus

2148
01:26:27,410 --> 01:26:26,250
Ohio during the early morning hours of

2149
01:26:30,110 --> 01:26:27,420
December 10th

2150
01:26:31,910 --> 01:26:30,120
he said a flatbed tractor trailer

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01:26:34,250 --> 01:26:31,920
military flatbed truck filled with tarp

2152
01:26:36,710 --> 01:26:34,260
object came into the base from an

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01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:36,720
interest he did normally use backing

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01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:38,970
into a hangar and set up a security

2155
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:41,010
perimeter around it and they were given

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a shoot to kill order Danny buddy

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approached that hangar went out to the

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proper clearance he told me he didn't

2159
01:26:50,900 --> 01:26:48,690
stay on the team much longer but he

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01:26:53,090 --> 01:26:50,910
heard that the truck didn't stay there

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01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:53,100
much longer and it continued on to

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wright-patterson Air Force Base near

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01:26:59,090 --> 01:26:57,300
Fairborn Ohio and then others later

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01:27:01,340 --> 01:26:59,100
contacted me and told me exactly what

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building it went to a great Paterson so

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that's interesting by then now the

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interesting part of the story is this

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you know I spent years out in the field

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interviewing hundreds of people who were

2170
01:27:13,970 --> 01:27:11,370
involved in the case that I was able to

2171
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:13,980
track down initially there was very

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01:27:18,970 --> 01:27:16,290
little information to go on but over a

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01:27:21,230 --> 01:27:18,980
period of weeks and months and years I

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01:27:21,710 --> 01:27:21,240
rented the people who were involved in

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01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:21,720
the case

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01:27:26,270 --> 01:27:24,330
I got anonymous tips I ran into people

2177
01:27:28,100 --> 01:27:26,280
who had friends or neighbors or

2178
01:27:28,700 --> 01:27:28,110
relatives who were involved so now it's

2179
01:27:30,709 --> 01:27:28,710
been hundreds

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01:27:32,690 --> 01:27:30,719
people have interviewed and I've learned

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01:27:34,310 --> 01:27:32,700
so much and they're still looking on the

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01:27:37,220 --> 01:27:34,320
answered question but I've learned a lot

2183
01:27:40,010 --> 01:27:37,230
and one thing I found out was that

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01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:40,020
soon after this object fell and whatever

2185
01:27:43,790 --> 01:27:41,610
this object was by the way is this

2186
01:27:46,370 --> 01:27:43,800
moving from Ohio to Pennsylvania this

2187
01:27:48,500 --> 01:27:46,380
thing is moving relatively slowly it's

2188
01:27:51,440 --> 01:27:48,510
making change in direction along its

2189
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:51,450
path and those people soccer down into

2190
01:27:56,540 --> 01:27:53,370
the woods that afternoon said it did not

2191
01:27:58,280 --> 01:27:56,550
come down at a high rate of speed it did

2192
01:28:00,500 --> 01:27:58,290
not come down for example like a meteor

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01:28:02,180 --> 01:28:00,510
or we entry a space debris it came down

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01:28:04,100 --> 01:28:02,190
almost like a May Day to a controlled

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01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:04,110
landing and nobody ever saw any

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01:28:08,930 --> 01:28:04,770
parachutes

2197
01:28:11,570 --> 01:28:08,940
and what we now know is that soon after

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01:28:14,090 --> 01:28:11,580
it fell some local people and then

2199
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:14,100
others came in and they came across this

2200
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:17,370
large metallic acorn shaped object semi

2201
01:28:21,140 --> 01:28:19,650
buried in the ground now this thing is

2202
01:28:23,690 --> 01:28:21,150
big enough for me and move around inside

2203
01:28:26,060 --> 01:28:23,700
of they estimated one witness who was

2204
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:26,070
very close to it he was able young

2205
01:28:29,959 --> 01:28:28,050
volunteer firemen he said this thing was

2206
01:28:32,870 --> 01:28:29,969
probably 10 to 12 feet or more in length

2207
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:32,880
that 8 to 10 feet diameter he had been a

2208
01:28:38,209 --> 01:28:36,210
machinist all his life and he said this

2209
01:28:41,209 --> 01:28:38,219
thing looked like somebody took a liquid

2210
01:28:43,580 --> 01:28:41,219
metal important to an acorn shaped mold

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01:28:46,940 --> 01:28:43,590
there's no rivet marks and hellworld

2212
01:28:49,910 --> 01:28:46,950
marks no seams the fuselage no wings no

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01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:49,920
doors no windows but at the raise up

2214
01:28:54,440 --> 01:28:51,810
back of the object like you have an

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acorn there were these unusual markings

2216
01:28:58,820 --> 01:28:56,730
that he said look more like symbols and

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writing and luckily because he his

2218
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background it was so much familiar with

2219
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:03,270
Cyrillic to Russian and he said that is

2220
01:29:08,180 --> 01:29:06,090
definitely not what it was so anyhow we

2221
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have eyewitnesses that saw the object on

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the ground the military once they go in

2223
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:14,130
now this happened again about 447 p.m.

2224
01:29:19,490 --> 01:29:17,130
and this is a little farming community

2225
01:29:23,270 --> 01:29:19,500
like I said about 40 miles southeast of

2226
01:29:25,250 --> 01:29:23,280
Pittsburgh and it was very intriguing

2227
01:29:27,979 --> 01:29:25,260
that the military began to rise so

2228
01:29:31,370 --> 01:29:27,989
quickly so there are some witnesses who

2229
01:29:33,590 --> 01:29:31,380
swear they began to see a minor military

2230
01:29:35,060 --> 01:29:33,600
presence that could be a jeep running

2231
01:29:37,910 --> 01:29:35,070
around the area looking forward to thing

2232
01:29:39,890 --> 01:29:37,920
came down with an hour so after it fell

2233
01:29:42,540 --> 01:29:39,900
most of the military came in with

2234
01:29:45,420 --> 01:29:42,550
flowers but still relatively quick

2235
01:29:49,500 --> 01:29:45,430
and that really wouldn't be that unusual

2236
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:49,510
cuz you better remember 1965 is Vietnam

2237
01:29:54,870 --> 01:29:51,610
time and there were many

2238
01:29:56,670 --> 01:29:54,880
armories and military bases all over

2239
01:30:00,060 --> 01:29:56,680
Pennsylvania in Ohio in the Pittsburgh

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01:30:02,070 --> 01:30:00,070
area so it would not be that unusual to

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01:30:04,770 --> 01:30:02,080
have equipment of personnel that they

2242
01:30:06,540 --> 01:30:04,780
can move pretty quickly indications were

2243
01:30:08,070 --> 01:30:06,550
that whatever this thing was it was

2244
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:08,080
probably being tracked

2245
01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:09,850
even though officially they claim it was

2246
01:30:13,950 --> 01:30:12,370
not it was on visual various sources

2247
01:30:16,830 --> 01:30:13,960
over the years told me that it was

2248
01:30:18,150 --> 01:30:16,840
indeed being tracked by radar and that's

2249
01:30:20,730 --> 01:30:18,160
how they were able to get the teams

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moving so quickly into the general area

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we got more to say about Kecksburg and

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more MIB lots of things with gene and

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anyhow these people see this thing on

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the ground Jim romansky was the first

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eyewitness we actually found and

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large UFO display I had at one of the

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that we actually had somebody actually

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saw the objects on the ground and Jim

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stroy was really interesting he was just

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he was a young volunteer fireman not

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from Kecksburg he was from one of the

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fire departments who have been called

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out to assist in the search for a

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possible downed aircraft in the

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Kecksburg area and he and a small group

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of other firemen came out and joined

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other I'm not a Kecksburg they were

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gonna search his large wooded area for

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what they thought was a downed aircraft

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anyhow they had walkie-talkies with them

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they were put in the trucks and left off

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the different locations along the

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perimeter of the woods to go up there

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and begin the search and he said they

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weren't out very long when they got a

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radio call for one the other team as

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they came across the object and Jim

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joins some of these are the farm and I

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was a little embankment only a few feet

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away from this thing was semi buried in

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the ground and they're looking this

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thing and they're realizing whatever

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01:36:37,500 --> 01:36:34,330
this thing is it was made by someone or

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something it was no meteorite and as

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they're standing there two men in trench

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coats really stirred looking men come

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down through the woods and look at the

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object look at them mister John this

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01:36:50,070 --> 01:36:48,100
area is now quarantined you got to get

2418
01:36:51,750 --> 01:36:50,080
out of here we're talking about Jim

2419
01:36:53,850 --> 01:36:51,760
romansky who was the young volunteer

2420
01:36:56,610 --> 01:36:53,860
fireman who that day was down there with

2421
01:36:59,070 --> 01:36:56,620
a search team and they became across the

2422
01:37:00,270 --> 01:36:59,080
object and while they were there the

2423
01:37:01,470 --> 01:37:00,280
soldiers would come down through the

2424
01:37:03,390 --> 01:37:01,480
woods and they were told to get out of

2425
01:37:05,089 --> 01:37:03,400
the woods so he was the first eyewitness

2426
01:37:07,159 --> 01:37:05,099
we had to the object on the

2427
01:37:09,859 --> 01:37:07,169
round and then a year later we got

2428
01:37:12,830 --> 01:37:09,869
anonymous tip that another local man had

2429
01:37:14,569 --> 01:37:12,840
seen the object coming down and he went

2430
01:37:17,029 --> 01:37:14,579
down into the woods and he was probably

2431
01:37:19,069 --> 01:37:17,039
probably the first or or one of the

2432
01:37:20,359 --> 01:37:19,079
first to actually see the object it was

2433
01:37:23,569 --> 01:37:20,369
embedded down there in the wooded ravine

2434
01:37:26,239 --> 01:37:23,579
that was a bill bully Bush since then of

2435
01:37:27,679 --> 01:37:26,249
course we found with Isis and many other

2436
01:37:30,379 --> 01:37:27,689
people around the areas that saw the

2437
01:37:32,719 --> 01:37:30,389
object that was coming down that day but

2438
01:37:35,359 --> 01:37:32,729
there's one case you talked about the

2439
01:37:37,069 --> 01:37:35,369
MIB there was one thing that surfaced in

2440
01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:37,079
more recent years you know even though

2441
01:37:41,869 --> 01:37:39,090
this was now approaching the 50th year

2442
01:37:44,779 --> 01:37:41,879
year after year including this year

2443
01:37:47,899 --> 01:37:44,789
because I do a lot of local events and

2444
01:37:49,669 --> 01:37:47,909
speak a lot of local organizations every

2445
01:37:52,099 --> 01:37:49,679
once in a while I find some witnesses

2446
01:37:58,219 --> 01:37:52,109
have come up to me with new information

2447
01:38:01,909 --> 01:37:58,229
and back in November of 2002 as you

2448
01:38:03,500 --> 01:38:01,919
recall the sci-fi channel was supporting

2449
01:38:05,750 --> 01:38:03,510
a new group called the Coalition for

2450
01:38:09,049 --> 01:38:05,760
freedom information and the head of the

2451
01:38:10,849 --> 01:38:09,059
group was Leslie came journalist who was

2452
01:38:13,549 --> 01:38:10,859
involved in very involved in UFO

2453
01:38:15,770 --> 01:38:13,559
research and they chose Kecksburg as her

2454
01:38:17,330 --> 01:38:15,780
first case to investigate so they put a

2455
01:38:20,060 --> 01:38:17,340
lot of resources in and they were able

2456
01:38:22,849 --> 01:38:20,070
to get into certain areas and track down

2457
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:22,859
certain leads i quittin and in fact they

2458
01:38:26,659 --> 01:38:24,530
located some of the Air Force personnel

2459
01:38:28,609 --> 01:38:26,669
who were on the scene that night at

2460
01:38:30,169 --> 01:38:28,619
Kecksburg that's another interesting

2461
01:38:32,719 --> 01:38:30,179
story want me to tell you about that too

2462
01:38:34,609 --> 01:38:32,729
but anyhow as all this was unfolding

2463
01:38:37,759 --> 01:38:34,619
locally there's a lot of local news

2464
01:38:39,830 --> 01:38:37,769
about this more intense investigation

2465
01:38:42,649 --> 01:38:39,840
back at that time period there was a

2466
01:38:44,779 --> 01:38:42,659
whole list of new witnesses who were

2467
01:38:47,479 --> 01:38:44,789
willing to talk with me but there was

2468
01:38:50,959 --> 01:38:47,489
one particular name I'll call this

2469
01:38:52,549 --> 01:38:50,969
manage ol whose name had come to my

2470
01:38:55,849 --> 01:38:52,559
attention I believe was about 13 years

2471
01:38:59,149 --> 01:38:55,859
before at that time I had called Joel at

2472
01:39:00,949 --> 01:38:59,159
that time because I got a lead that he

2473
01:39:03,469 --> 01:39:00,959
had been hiding down in the woods that

2474
01:39:05,449 --> 01:39:03,479
day from the military and watched them

2475
01:39:08,119 --> 01:39:05,459
as they're loading the object onto the

2476
01:39:10,369 --> 01:39:08,129
truck and when I contacted him he didn't

2477
01:39:12,169 --> 01:39:10,379
deny it he just said his family didn't

2478
01:39:13,189 --> 01:39:12,179
want him involved and he was afraid of

2479
01:39:15,889 --> 01:39:13,199
getting in trouble with the government

2480
01:39:18,390 --> 01:39:15,899
and he didn't want to be involved so now

2481
01:39:21,030 --> 01:39:18,400
years later here's his name again

2482
01:39:22,649 --> 01:39:21,040
I contacted him and main arranges to go

2483
01:39:24,540 --> 01:39:22,659
out and interview as soon as I quit and

2484
01:39:26,939 --> 01:39:24,550
when I went out there to interview him

2485
01:39:29,610 --> 01:39:26,949
the guys an order fella retired fella

2486
01:39:31,560 --> 01:39:29,620
and when I got there he was a little

2487
01:39:33,330 --> 01:39:31,570
nervous and he said look I was going to

2488
01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:33,340
try changing my mind my wife still

2489
01:39:37,500 --> 01:39:35,170
didn't want me to talk about it and I

2490
01:39:39,630 --> 01:39:37,510
was just going to cancel this well we

2491
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:39,640
sat down and we got to know each other a

2492
01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:41,290
little better and I share some basic

2493
01:39:45,030 --> 01:39:43,330
information with him on the case and he

2494
01:39:47,550 --> 01:39:45,040
said well now that you here I'm also

2495
01:39:50,220 --> 01:39:47,560
tell you some of my story that went on

2496
01:39:52,380 --> 01:39:50,230
to numerous other interviews but anyhow

2497
01:39:54,270 --> 01:39:52,390
and we could talk for a long time this

2498
01:39:57,149 --> 01:39:54,280
was very extensive but anyhow the story

2499
01:39:58,830 --> 01:39:57,159
was to make it short he had heard that

2500
01:40:00,630 --> 01:39:58,840
the object had fallen down another

2501
01:40:02,970 --> 01:40:00,640
wooded area of large wooded area words

2502
01:40:04,950 --> 01:40:02,980
fell he like many others knew that here

2503
01:40:06,990 --> 01:40:04,960
because they hunted down there so he and

2504
01:40:09,630 --> 01:40:07,000
his brother went out to the scene after

2505
01:40:10,950 --> 01:40:09,640
hearing the news he told his brother he

2506
01:40:12,750 --> 01:40:10,960
wasn't going to go down the woods let's

2507
01:40:15,660 --> 01:40:12,760
say you could find that thing the object

2508
01:40:17,820 --> 01:40:15,670
antek flashlight he didn't use it and he

2509
01:40:19,620 --> 01:40:17,830
told me that he found his way down to

2510
01:40:21,390 --> 01:40:19,630
the site for what he looked like

2511
01:40:23,430 --> 01:40:21,400
electrical arcing down in the woods

2512
01:40:25,950 --> 01:40:23,440
which other witnesses described to me as

2513
01:40:28,260 --> 01:40:25,960
well this thing was emitting like blue

2514
01:40:31,110 --> 01:40:28,270
and some others have some different

2515
01:40:33,870 --> 01:40:31,120
colors of electrical arcing coming off

2516
01:40:35,729 --> 01:40:33,880
the object itself and he found his way

2517
01:40:37,890 --> 01:40:35,739
down into that area and he gave me some

2518
01:40:40,530 --> 01:40:37,900
real specific information of how it was

2519
01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:40,540
positioned and what he saw down there

2520
01:40:45,780 --> 01:40:43,690
and he goes on with the story that he

2521
01:40:47,430 --> 01:40:45,790
was hiding down in the woods and he kept

2522
01:40:50,399 --> 01:40:47,440
moving back further into the woods as

2523
01:40:52,740 --> 01:40:50,409
people began to come in and he said

2524
01:40:54,090 --> 01:40:52,750
first they were civilians and he said

2525
01:40:56,399 --> 01:40:54,100
they could have been volunteer firemen

2526
01:40:58,680 --> 01:40:56,409
he didn't know but soon after they left

2527
01:41:00,000 --> 01:40:58,690
the military began to communities and I

2528
01:41:02,250 --> 01:41:00,010
knew the military because I was in the

2529
01:41:06,180 --> 01:41:02,260
service he said he saw both Army and Air

2530
01:41:08,459 --> 01:41:06,190
Force personnel and his story get

2531
01:41:12,450 --> 01:41:08,469
stranger and stranger it's a long story

2532
01:41:13,860 --> 01:41:12,460
- but what he said to me was that there

2533
01:41:16,680 --> 01:41:13,870
was there was one person in particular

2534
01:41:18,570 --> 01:41:16,690
and apparently more than one but one one

2535
01:41:20,910 --> 01:41:18,580
fella he kind of focused on and he said

2536
01:41:22,770 --> 01:41:20,920
I didn't know if he was a politician I

2537
01:41:24,240 --> 01:41:22,780
guess he was a a congressman or a

2538
01:41:25,860 --> 01:41:24,250
senator but he was some kind of

2539
01:41:27,899 --> 01:41:25,870
politician I said what do you need me to

2540
01:41:29,910 --> 01:41:27,909
yeah he said that guy was down there he

2541
01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:29,920
had a camera and he was dressed in a

2542
01:41:34,620 --> 01:41:32,170
black suit with a black

2543
01:41:36,060 --> 01:41:34,630
with a pie and he was all dressed up

2544
01:41:38,190 --> 01:41:36,070
down on the world is there like why

2545
01:41:40,620 --> 01:41:38,200
would there be a politician down in the

2546
01:41:42,630 --> 01:41:40,630
woods and this guy was given orders to

2547
01:41:44,610 --> 01:41:42,640
the military and he was taking

2548
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:44,620
photographs of the object he called the

2549
01:41:49,020 --> 01:41:46,690
object the ickey he says this guy's

2550
01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:49,030
taking pictures of the Hickey of the

2551
01:41:52,950 --> 01:41:50,650
trees who were damaged and but knock

2552
01:41:55,140 --> 01:41:52,960
down the area from where he was he

2553
01:41:57,090 --> 01:41:55,150
couldn't see well but he said there was

2554
01:41:59,220 --> 01:41:57,100
some tracks on the ground near the

2555
01:42:01,050 --> 01:41:59,230
object he said it looked over us like

2556
01:42:04,380 --> 01:42:01,060
deer tracks but he couldn't see them far

2557
01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:04,390
away and he said that that guy and

2558
01:42:08,460 --> 01:42:06,130
others were very interested in those

2559
01:42:12,390 --> 01:42:08,470
tracks taking a lot of pictures of them

2560
01:42:14,250 --> 01:42:12,400
and he said I kind of had a feeling that

2561
01:42:17,070 --> 01:42:14,260
something may have gotten out of that

2562
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:17,080
thing before I came but we don't know

2563
01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:20,410
but then he did see something else that

2564
01:42:25,290 --> 01:42:22,930
was very strange and that gives us to a

2565
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:25,300
whole different among Kecksburg now and

2566
01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:26,890
I don't know if you want to go into that

2567
01:42:32,070 --> 01:42:29,290
part of it or not right now well we we

2568
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:32,080
have a bunch of questions stand when

2569
01:42:35,250 --> 01:42:33,850
you're on the show it seems that people

2570
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:35,260
come out of the woodwork because you're

2571
01:42:40,410 --> 01:42:38,890
set you've got so much interesting you

2572
01:42:43,890 --> 01:42:40,420
know investigation and research work

2573
01:42:46,050 --> 01:42:43,900
under your belt I've got one question

2574
01:42:48,450 --> 01:42:46,060
here that's very interesting

2575
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:48,460
and there's a photograph of a very

2576
01:42:54,030 --> 01:42:51,850
mysterious object that they found on

2577
01:42:56,880 --> 01:42:54,040
your site Stan Gordon's UFO anomaly zone

2578
01:42:58,980 --> 01:42:56,890
and it appears to be almost like a Bowie

2579
01:43:03,240 --> 01:42:58,990
shape that's pointed at both ends it

2580
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:03,250
appears to be welded out of metal if

2581
01:43:07,710 --> 01:43:05,770
you're if you're on the podcast forum

2582
01:43:11,420 --> 01:43:07,720
there's a very very good photograph of

2583
01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:11,430
it what the heck is this thing Stan

2584
01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:14,170
though it's still a mystery after so

2585
01:43:17,370 --> 01:43:16,210
many years I've got we know is it the

2586
01:43:19,650 --> 01:43:17,380
incident happened in harmony

2587
01:43:23,720 --> 01:43:19,660
Pennsylvania Westmore County back in

2588
01:43:27,050 --> 01:43:23,730
June of 1980 a very credible family and

2589
01:43:30,060 --> 01:43:27,060
about 9:30 that night the woman in this

2590
01:43:33,810 --> 01:43:30,070
rural home have to look out her back

2591
01:43:36,690 --> 01:43:33,820
window and saw hovering behind her home

2592
01:43:40,110 --> 01:43:36,700
in the trees an object about the biggest

2593
01:43:41,730 --> 01:43:40,120
a car had like a bright object and few

2594
01:43:42,900 --> 01:43:41,740
minutes later when she loved one back in

2595
01:43:44,820 --> 01:43:42,910
the weather it was gone

2596
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:44,830
Roy just think much of it the

2597
01:43:49,950 --> 01:43:46,090
interesting

2598
01:43:53,129 --> 01:43:49,960
is the next day her husband up on that

2599
01:43:55,709 --> 01:43:53,139
hill discovers a strange metallic object

2600
01:43:58,260 --> 01:43:55,719
sticking out of the ground on the hill

2601
01:44:00,359 --> 01:43:58,270
behind the house now this is a very

2602
01:44:02,790 --> 01:44:00,369
secluded area I mean if you're gonna

2603
01:44:04,140 --> 01:44:02,800
poke something why would you put it in a

2604
01:44:06,570 --> 01:44:04,150
place where people are going to see it

2605
01:44:08,640 --> 01:44:06,580
that's one thing but anyhow what they

2606
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:08,650
found out stick it on the ground this

2607
01:44:13,700 --> 01:44:11,770
thing it looks like two large metallic

2608
01:44:17,609 --> 01:44:13,710
cones welded together

2609
01:44:21,149 --> 01:44:17,619
it's weighs around 20 pounds it's about

2610
01:44:23,310 --> 01:44:21,159
21 inches long and it's very interesting

2611
01:44:26,760 --> 01:44:23,320
it's hollow inside

2612
01:44:29,180 --> 01:44:26,770
we have laughs examine it and we know

2613
01:44:32,430 --> 01:44:29,190
what it's made of it's made of mainly

2614
01:44:34,140 --> 01:44:32,440
nickel chromium and iron so it's

2615
01:44:37,020 --> 01:44:34,150
basically a hundred percent stainless

2616
01:44:38,910 --> 01:44:37,030
steel the whole mystery is like why

2617
01:44:41,970 --> 01:44:38,920
would anybody manufacture why would they

2618
01:44:44,220 --> 01:44:41,980
make it and the various labs have looked

2619
01:44:46,290 --> 01:44:44,230
at it and we know what it's made of but

2620
01:44:49,080 --> 01:44:46,300
nobody knows why be made for any purpose

2621
01:44:52,410 --> 01:44:49,090
and why would it be found after a UFO

2622
01:44:56,160 --> 01:44:52,420
incident and it's one of a number of

2623
01:44:59,399 --> 01:44:56,170
physical anomalies that I recovered over

2624
01:45:01,350 --> 01:44:59,409
the years another one the first one were

2625
01:45:07,379 --> 01:45:01,360
recovered actually was a number of

2626
01:45:09,180 --> 01:45:07,389
samples was back on 1972 let's go into

2627
01:45:11,100 --> 01:45:09,190
more of the things that you've recovered

2628
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:11,110
we have Stan Gordon the book is

2629
01:45:16,050 --> 01:45:13,690
astonishing encounters as astonishing

2630
01:45:22,190 --> 01:45:16,060
we've remained connected this long with

2631
01:45:32,810 --> 01:45:28,030
[Music]

2632
01:45:36,530 --> 01:45:32,820
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intelligence man is contacted by a space

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2639
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2640
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the site went down it just stopped

2649
01:46:16,410 --> 01:46:14,650
responding it took hours before it

2650
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returned but I'd already placed the

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TV say goodbye to the Cable Guy cut

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costs and get more one eight five five

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nine oh five my TV one eight five five

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[Applause]

2684
01:47:53,339 --> 01:47:49,000
welcome back to the para cast the gold

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01:48:01,689 --> 01:47:53,349
standard of paranormal radio and now

2686
01:48:03,850 --> 01:48:01,699
here's Jane Steinberg so we have Stan

2687
01:48:06,310 --> 01:48:03,860
Gordon author of astonishing Encounters

2688
01:48:08,529 --> 01:48:06,320
gonna tell us a second more about the

2689
01:48:10,600 --> 01:48:08,539
metallic thingy she's got with Jeana and

2690
01:48:12,219 --> 01:48:10,610
Chris and the power cast we want to

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so what kind of stuff have you over

2703
01:48:48,549 --> 01:48:45,050
there Stan Gordon well you know I won

2704
01:48:50,919 --> 01:48:48,559
this cone-shaped thing back in 1972 we

2705
01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:50,929
were having a wave of UFO activity here

2706
01:48:55,989 --> 01:48:53,570
in round Westmoreland County outside of

2707
01:48:57,879 --> 01:48:55,999
Pittsburgh and we're getting reports of

2708
01:49:00,279 --> 01:48:57,889
formations of brilliant lights at night

2709
01:49:02,290 --> 01:49:00,289
going across and in some cases people

2710
01:49:04,659 --> 01:49:02,300
reporting some kind of metallic material

2711
01:49:06,819 --> 01:49:04,669
that was falling from the the light so

2712
01:49:09,009 --> 01:49:06,829
they went over so our teams went out to

2713
01:49:11,169 --> 01:49:09,019
some of these locations and people are

2714
01:49:13,479 --> 01:49:11,179
calling in to us and we are coming

2715
01:49:15,759 --> 01:49:13,489
across this very unusual metallic

2716
01:49:18,219 --> 01:49:15,769
material for a better term we called

2717
01:49:20,379 --> 01:49:18,229
spacecrafts and even join Kiel mentioned

2718
01:49:24,239 --> 01:49:20,389
about finding something similar back in

2719
01:49:28,239 --> 01:49:24,249
the late 60s it looks like thousands of

2720
01:49:30,879 --> 01:49:28,249
these very thin strips of metal that are

2721
01:49:34,089 --> 01:49:30,889
all inter woven together we found these

2722
01:49:34,929 --> 01:49:34,099
things in the trees we found it on the

2723
01:49:38,409 --> 01:49:34,939
ground

2724
01:49:41,469 --> 01:49:38,419
you know one in two clumps in some cases

2725
01:49:43,959 --> 01:49:41,479
it's very interesting stuff and once

2726
01:49:46,629 --> 01:49:43,969
again we had Labs examine it and it's

2727
01:49:48,729 --> 01:49:46,639
basically 100% aluminum once again the

2728
01:49:51,100 --> 01:49:48,739
mystery is we had major companies look

2729
01:49:53,560 --> 01:49:51,110
at it examine it nobody knows why

2730
01:49:56,279 --> 01:49:53,570
anybody would manufacture it or for what

2731
01:49:57,970 --> 01:49:56,289
purpose the closest thing would be a

2732
01:50:00,670 --> 01:49:57,980
radar chest

2733
01:50:03,820 --> 01:50:00,680
which military would use to cause

2734
01:50:06,490 --> 01:50:03,830
interference to our radio communications

2735
01:50:09,310 --> 01:50:06,500
radar signals this is not the same thing

2736
01:50:11,560 --> 01:50:09,320
because your chap disperses and this

2737
01:50:13,390 --> 01:50:11,570
stuff comes down in clumps so nobody

2738
01:50:15,310 --> 01:50:13,400
really knows what this is all about and

2739
01:50:18,610 --> 01:50:15,320
if my memory serves me right I believe

2740
01:50:21,490 --> 01:50:18,620
going back many years ago I think Linda

2741
01:50:24,490 --> 01:50:21,500
Moulton Howe had at least one case where

2742
01:50:26,440 --> 01:50:24,500
some similar material was found in the

2743
01:50:28,360 --> 01:50:26,450
mouth of one of the mutilated towels out

2744
01:50:30,790 --> 01:50:28,370
near direction there Chris maybe you

2745
01:50:33,040 --> 01:50:30,800
remember that yeah that was on the Gomez

2746
01:50:35,110 --> 01:50:33,050
ranch and it was radar chaff they were

2747
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:35,120
able to I did what a cow was doing

2748
01:50:39,040 --> 01:50:37,010
eating it and then ending up mutilated

2749
01:50:40,780 --> 01:50:39,050
that that's all another story yeah I

2750
01:50:42,430 --> 01:50:40,790
never saw it I just remember talking

2751
01:50:44,200 --> 01:50:42,440
about some kind of metallic material

2752
01:50:46,510 --> 01:50:44,210
I never heard what did actually was

2753
01:50:48,940 --> 01:50:46,520
found that I know I I have actual radar

2754
01:50:50,200 --> 01:50:48,950
chaff and we can see the comparisons

2755
01:50:52,300 --> 01:50:50,210
between the two and this was not the

2756
01:50:55,390 --> 01:50:52,310
same and then another case is really

2757
01:50:57,490 --> 01:50:55,400
interesting was back in the late 60s in

2758
01:50:59,620 --> 01:50:57,500
the Pittsburgh area there was a very

2759
01:51:02,380 --> 01:50:59,630
interesting UFO sighting was a big disc

2760
01:51:04,900 --> 01:51:02,390
as I recall it was hovering in a very

2761
01:51:07,180 --> 01:51:04,910
rural area above a field on beams of

2762
01:51:09,430 --> 01:51:07,190
colored lights very low off the ground a

2763
01:51:10,750 --> 01:51:09,440
man happened to come by this roryd and

2764
01:51:12,790 --> 01:51:10,760
see this thing hovering in this big

2765
01:51:15,100 --> 01:51:12,800
field he went home several miles away

2766
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:15,110
and told his wife about it she came back

2767
01:51:20,200 --> 01:51:17,930
it was still there and he wanted to get

2768
01:51:21,880 --> 01:51:20,210
out of the car walk closer and she was

2769
01:51:24,160 --> 01:51:21,890
yelling at him not to get off the car he

2770
01:51:26,830 --> 01:51:24,170
opened the car door the beams of light

2771
01:51:29,170 --> 01:51:26,840
retract and the object took off the next

2772
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:29,180
day however he goes back to that

2773
01:51:33,370 --> 01:51:31,010
location as soon as any marks on the

2774
01:51:36,820 --> 01:51:33,380
ground and there's no marks but here's

2775
01:51:39,850 --> 01:51:36,830
this big metallic disc laying there the

2776
01:51:41,410 --> 01:51:39,860
disc has been in various labs it's very

2777
01:51:43,990 --> 01:51:41,420
interesting because it has some very

2778
01:51:46,300 --> 01:51:44,000
interesting burnt holes through it and

2779
01:51:48,640 --> 01:51:46,310
some very deep cuts on those known as

2780
01:51:49,690 --> 01:51:48,650
cavitation marks so it's done under very

2781
01:51:52,030 --> 01:51:49,700
high pressure

2782
01:51:53,890 --> 01:51:52,040
various metallurgist have examined it

2783
01:51:56,530 --> 01:51:53,900
once again it's a hundred percent

2784
01:51:58,330 --> 01:51:56,540
stainless steel nobody can figure out

2785
01:52:01,390 --> 01:51:58,340
why would be laying there in the middle

2786
01:52:03,490 --> 01:52:01,400
of a field after a UFO incident and why

2787
01:52:05,410 --> 01:52:03,500
anybody would manufacture it so there's

2788
01:52:07,240 --> 01:52:05,420
a couple of some of the physical

2789
01:52:09,930 --> 01:52:07,250
anomalies that we've come up with over

2790
01:52:11,470 --> 01:52:09,940
the years Wow there's not many

2791
01:52:13,870 --> 01:52:11,480
investigators out there

2792
01:52:15,850 --> 01:52:13,880
stand that has had the guests good

2793
01:52:18,010 --> 01:52:15,860
fortune to have cases that actually

2794
01:52:20,440 --> 01:52:18,020
leave behind especially UFO cases that

2795
01:52:21,910 --> 01:52:20,450
leave behind actual physical evidence

2796
01:52:24,370 --> 01:52:21,920
that you can actually take and have

2797
01:52:26,200 --> 01:52:24,380
tested so what do you what are you doing

2798
01:52:28,870 --> 01:52:26,210
all this stuff is it is you use it for

2799
01:52:31,510 --> 01:52:28,880
paperweights or like door stops we have

2800
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:31,520
it in a safe area and I do a lot of

2801
01:52:36,100 --> 01:52:34,010
public displays and shows and in some

2802
01:52:38,830 --> 01:52:36,110
cases over the years I've had them out

2803
01:52:40,479 --> 01:52:38,840
for the people to see now I like to give

2804
01:52:42,820 --> 01:52:40,489
their input on what it might be and

2805
01:52:45,460 --> 01:52:42,830
sometimes you get other leads from it so

2806
01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:45,470
it's interesting stuff and it's a party

2807
01:52:49,210 --> 01:52:46,970
history boy I'll say

2808
01:52:51,100 --> 01:52:49,220
you know there's we have a number of

2809
01:52:53,770 --> 01:52:51,110
questions here as I mentioned before and

2810
01:52:56,140 --> 01:52:53,780
you know Han who is one of our Harry

2811
01:52:58,840 --> 01:52:56,150
Newton is one of our longtime posters

2812
01:53:01,090 --> 01:52:58,850
he's been in here for going on five and

2813
01:53:03,070 --> 01:53:01,100
a half years he's not sure if this is

2814
01:53:06,940 --> 01:53:03,080
true I think but he's wondering if

2815
01:53:08,260 --> 01:53:06,950
you've seen a decline in the popularity

2816
01:53:11,740 --> 01:53:08,270
of Bigfoot

2817
01:53:13,350 --> 01:53:11,750
it just in general died I think it's the

2818
01:53:16,120 --> 01:53:13,360
opposite I think we've seen an actual

2819
01:53:19,530 --> 01:53:16,130
rise in interest in Bigfoot because of

2820
01:53:23,140 --> 01:53:19,540
all the Bigfoot shows that have been on

2821
01:53:24,820 --> 01:53:23,150
but what do you think do you see a rise

2822
01:53:26,500 --> 01:53:24,830
or a decline in popularity in this

2823
01:53:28,300 --> 01:53:26,510
subject and what do you think it is

2824
01:53:30,310 --> 01:53:28,310
you know that's of course the

2825
01:53:32,260 --> 01:53:30,320
million-dollar question is is this a

2826
01:53:33,430 --> 01:53:32,270
flesh and blood crypto creature or are

2827
01:53:35,770 --> 01:53:33,440
we dealing with something paranormal

2828
01:53:38,920 --> 01:53:35,780
well yeah I have to agree with you

2829
01:53:40,300 --> 01:53:38,930
because at least from just area that are

2830
01:53:42,520 --> 01:53:40,310
me and there's a huge interest in

2831
01:53:45,100 --> 01:53:42,530
Bigfoot it doesn't seem to go away seems

2832
01:53:46,900 --> 01:53:45,110
increase in general from the reaction I

2833
01:53:48,970 --> 01:53:46,910
get from calls and people from around

2834
01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:48,980
the country that yes there's a huge

2835
01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:51,050
interest in it and there's no doubt that

2836
01:53:56,020 --> 01:53:53,530
some of these reality shows are really

2837
01:53:57,190 --> 01:53:56,030
bring bringing the subject intentional

2838
01:53:59,260 --> 01:53:57,200
lots of people and it's going to be a

2839
01:54:01,690 --> 01:53:59,270
great interest in it so I would say that

2840
01:54:03,700 --> 01:54:01,700
the interest is continuing to increase

2841
01:54:06,100 --> 01:54:03,710
with the Bigfoot phenomena and I think

2842
01:54:07,870 --> 01:54:06,110
it's gaining more you know I think it's

2843
01:54:10,180 --> 01:54:07,880
becoming more and more legitimate I

2844
01:54:12,340 --> 01:54:10,190
think as a subject as well I don't find

2845
01:54:14,890 --> 01:54:12,350
people rolling their eyes as much as

2846
01:54:16,870 --> 01:54:14,900
they used to when you mention Bigfoot of

2847
01:54:18,670 --> 01:54:16,880
course in areas like here in Arizona we

2848
01:54:21,700 --> 01:54:18,680
do have the Mogi on monster that is

2849
01:54:23,410 --> 01:54:21,710
reported from time to time and but most

2850
01:54:24,790 --> 01:54:23,420
people that I talked to who are not that

2851
01:54:25,240 --> 01:54:24,800
familiar with this subject they don't

2852
01:54:27,250 --> 01:54:25,250
realize

2853
01:54:29,140 --> 01:54:27,260
the Bigfoots been reported in 48 of 50

2854
01:54:31,600 --> 01:54:29,150
states and that that's quite an

2855
01:54:34,180 --> 01:54:31,610
eye-opener to them but I'm seeing people

2856
01:54:36,220 --> 01:54:34,190
are I think more accepting of the

2857
01:54:38,050 --> 01:54:36,230
potential reality of this phenomenon and

2858
01:54:39,670 --> 01:54:38,060
they don't roll their eyes and say oh

2859
01:54:42,070 --> 01:54:39,680
that's you don't believe in that stuff

2860
01:54:44,110 --> 01:54:42,080
do you I don't know if you noticed this

2861
01:54:46,390 --> 01:54:44,120
but I have I think it's gaining more and

2862
01:54:48,820 --> 01:54:46,400
more legitimacy as the years go by oh

2863
01:54:51,430 --> 01:54:48,830
there's no doubt in fact coming up in a

2864
01:54:53,560 --> 01:54:51,440
couple of weeks we have the and again

2865
01:54:55,510 --> 01:54:53,570
back to Fayette County there's a a group

2866
01:54:57,280 --> 01:54:55,520
down there an organization and they're

2867
01:55:00,340 --> 01:54:57,290
sponsoring it's called project calendars

2868
01:55:02,800 --> 01:55:00,350
and condos Ville PA and on October 17th

2869
01:55:06,280 --> 01:55:02,810
they're sponsoring the first Fayette

2870
01:55:08,500 --> 01:55:06,290
County UFO Bigfoot paranormal Expo it's

2871
01:55:10,780 --> 01:55:08,510
gonna be all day long now I'll be

2872
01:55:13,150 --> 01:55:10,790
speaking there and we'll be showing a

2873
01:55:15,220 --> 01:55:13,160
couple movies and having speakers on

2874
01:55:17,410 --> 01:55:15,230
these subjects all day long as we've

2875
01:55:19,150 --> 01:55:17,420
seen on other local events quite awful

2876
01:55:20,770 --> 01:55:19,160
lot of witnesses like to come down there

2877
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:20,780
and talk to you a lot do confidentially

2878
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:22,970
yes but glad to hear that other people

2879
01:55:27,190 --> 01:55:25,010
have shared two other experiences yeah I

2880
01:55:29,770 --> 01:55:27,200
think conferences especially small

2881
01:55:31,540 --> 01:55:29,780
regional and local conferences that's

2882
01:55:34,360 --> 01:55:31,550
where you really come up with some of

2883
01:55:36,610 --> 01:55:34,370
your best cases I did a small conference

2884
01:55:39,820 --> 01:55:36,620
in Angelfire New Mexico just south of

2885
01:55:43,450 --> 01:55:39,830
Taos there and one of my best cases in

2886
01:55:45,430 --> 01:55:43,460
recent years showed up blue and invited

2887
01:55:48,430 --> 01:55:45,440
me back over to the ranch and just blew

2888
01:55:50,080 --> 01:55:48,440
my socks off with the story in the whole

2889
01:55:52,300 --> 01:55:50,090
series of events that had occurred and

2890
01:55:54,370 --> 01:55:52,310
this was all because of a of a small

2891
01:55:56,620 --> 01:55:54,380
regional conference I think it's a great

2892
01:55:59,140 --> 01:55:56,630
place for investigators and folks out

2893
01:56:01,630 --> 01:55:59,150
there take note if you have this type of

2894
01:56:03,940 --> 01:56:01,640
event in your area make yourself

2895
01:56:05,470 --> 01:56:03,950
available for people and get out there

2896
01:56:07,570 --> 01:56:05,480
in the field get out of your armchairs

2897
01:56:09,130 --> 01:56:07,580
get out there in the field become the

2898
01:56:11,500 --> 01:56:09,140
stand garden in your neighborhood and

2899
01:56:14,080 --> 01:56:11,510
and you don't spend the time you know

2900
01:56:16,600 --> 01:56:14,090
chase chase these leads down make the

2901
01:56:19,870 --> 01:56:16,610
phone calls network with people you know

2902
01:56:21,880 --> 01:56:19,880
Stan is just has always been a major I

2903
01:56:23,920 --> 01:56:21,890
just have looked up to this guy for so

2904
01:56:26,110 --> 01:56:23,930
many years and he's been an inspiration

2905
01:56:28,720 --> 01:56:26,120
for me and so let him be an inspiration

2906
01:56:30,730 --> 01:56:28,730
for you too I you know this this is not

2907
01:56:32,800 --> 01:56:30,740
easy work but it can be very rewarding

2908
01:56:36,310 --> 01:56:32,810
at the very least they can blow your

2909
01:56:38,350 --> 01:56:36,320
mind and you know something crisp that's

2910
01:56:39,040 --> 01:56:38,360
brought up over the years you know we're

2911
01:56:41,650 --> 01:56:39,050
talking about big

2912
01:56:44,440 --> 01:56:41,660
but I wrote my solid invasion book years

2913
01:56:45,970 --> 01:56:44,450
ago because I felt and so many people

2914
01:56:47,470 --> 01:56:45,980
are asking me that they thought I need

2915
01:56:49,690 --> 01:56:47,480
to write as they knew about the research

2916
01:56:51,340 --> 01:56:49,700
I did was so important I was a little

2917
01:56:54,190 --> 01:56:51,350
reluctant to because the Glens of

2918
01:56:55,840 --> 01:56:54,200
strange aspects of Bigfoot but I've had

2919
01:56:58,030 --> 01:56:55,850
nothing but an extremely positive

2920
01:56:59,380 --> 01:56:58,040
reaction from around the country and

2921
01:57:01,840 --> 01:56:59,390
even out the country about the book

2922
01:57:03,280 --> 01:57:01,850
because again and we didn't get a chance

2923
01:57:06,250 --> 01:57:03,290
to even talk about it today but you know

2924
01:57:08,530 --> 01:57:06,260
there were those cases that suggested

2925
01:57:10,660 --> 01:57:08,540
highly that at least some of the Bigfoot

2926
01:57:12,850 --> 01:57:10,670
accounts appear to be something other

2927
01:57:16,210 --> 01:57:12,860
than a flesh-and-blood animal the more

2928
01:57:18,040 --> 01:57:16,220
cryptid reports I get and there's some

2929
01:57:20,800 --> 01:57:18,050
in the new astonishing encounters book

2930
01:57:23,170 --> 01:57:20,810
the more suggested in some cases we're

2931
01:57:25,480 --> 01:57:23,180
dealing with something that seems to

2932
01:57:27,310 --> 01:57:25,490
come into our physical reality can leave

2933
01:57:30,310 --> 01:57:27,320
physical evidence and then it's gone

2934
01:57:38,350 --> 01:57:30,320
this segment is gone with gene and Chris

2935
01:57:41,440 --> 01:57:38,360
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ten minutes or seven oh wow we're

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should mention this in case other people

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are considering that well did Suddenlink

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and like I mentioned to you during one

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of our down periods here they three town

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area around me was completely down two

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days ago for an entire day and I've just

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upgraded to twice my upload and download

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speeds and you would think that I would

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be getting you know I have a little bit

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more consistent consistent service here

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but you know we'll we'll get to the

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bottom of it too bad you don't have a

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viable competitor you're telling us that

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we have of course CenturyLink serving

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your area and having you CenturyLink in

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the past

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I know it's hit or miss yeah that's the

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problem here in the US of course most of

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our listeners in the United States have

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but one option for broadband internet

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just one yeah that's not fun let's get

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back to the questions in the comments

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Chris yeah we do we have a

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02:03:08,090 --> 02:03:05,940
good question here from Steve C who's

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been a member of our forum it formed

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after para cast com since 2011 this is

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the question Bank where our listeners

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can ask questions of our our guests and

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today is one of my favorite guests we

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have on from time to time

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Stan Gordon Stan if it turns out through

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this through disclosure that Kecksburg

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was nothing more than a satellite

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02:03:30,590 --> 02:03:28,290
playing part or mundane explanation

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02:03:32,390 --> 02:03:30,600
would you be relieved or disappointed I

3085
02:03:36,070 --> 02:03:32,400
think we can pretty much factor out

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02:03:38,210 --> 02:03:36,080
based on your description of witnesses

3087
02:03:40,100 --> 02:03:38,220
eyewitness reports that this thing was

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02:03:42,350 --> 02:03:40,110
it came down under control so it doesn't

3089
02:03:43,370 --> 02:03:42,360
sound like a plane part or I know people

3090
02:03:45,680 --> 02:03:43,380
have said over the years there was a

3091
02:03:47,000 --> 02:03:45,690
Russian satellite that we got and it

3092
02:03:50,330 --> 02:03:47,010
doesn't really sound like any of those

3093
02:03:51,890 --> 02:03:50,340
things you think it was a bonafide UFO

3094
02:03:54,560 --> 02:03:51,900
or do you think it was something else oh

3095
02:03:56,930 --> 02:03:54,570
you know after I keep an open mind all

3096
02:03:58,850 --> 02:03:56,940
possibilities and and I hope some day

3097
02:04:00,830 --> 02:03:58,860
that I'm still living that we can have

3098
02:04:03,020 --> 02:04:00,840
closure on the case and we have positive

3099
02:04:05,270 --> 02:04:03,030
proof once raw as for what the object

3100
02:04:07,280 --> 02:04:05,280
was itself just still has many many

3101
02:04:09,680 --> 02:04:07,290
mysteries in this case and we didn't

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even get into some of the interesting

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aspects of the case which again in more

3104
02:04:18,260 --> 02:04:15,390
recent years there's more indication of

3105
02:04:20,420 --> 02:04:18,270
the possibility that something may have

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been inside of the object so that's a

3107
02:04:25,490 --> 02:04:22,860
fascinating aspect as well but over the

3108
02:04:28,280 --> 02:04:25,500
years there were a number of different

3109
02:04:30,590 --> 02:04:28,290
people who contacted me it told me they

3110
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knew for sure what the object was and

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02:04:36,080 --> 02:04:33,000
everybody had a different story and this

3112
02:04:38,420 --> 02:04:36,090
goes back to the time of the incident

3113
02:04:40,310 --> 02:04:38,430
occurring one of the first accounts we

3114
02:04:42,500 --> 02:04:40,320
heard was from a witness who have been

3115
02:04:44,479 --> 02:04:42,510
interviewed by an air force officer they

3116
02:04:47,330 --> 02:04:44,489
told me that air force officer told her

3117
02:04:49,370 --> 02:04:47,340
that it was a Gemini capsule that had

3118
02:04:50,660 --> 02:04:49,380
been expelled in the area well we found

3119
02:04:54,140 --> 02:04:50,670
out of course that wasn't the case

3120
02:04:57,290 --> 02:04:54,150
another man told me he knew certain that

3121
02:05:00,710 --> 02:04:57,300
it was a projectile fired from a giant

3122
02:05:02,870 --> 02:05:00,720
gun from a railroad car in Canada we

3123
02:05:05,360 --> 02:05:02,880
interviewed him and all the specifics he

3124
02:05:07,040 --> 02:05:05,370
gave us definitely does not fit another

3125
02:05:09,590 --> 02:05:07,050
man told me he knew for sure was a

3126
02:05:11,870 --> 02:05:09,600
Soviet ICBM that went out of control

3127
02:05:14,150 --> 02:05:11,880
nozzle instead it was a missile and of

3128
02:05:17,300 --> 02:05:14,160
course we looked in the cosmos 96 that

3129
02:05:19,540 --> 02:05:17,310
Soviet Venus probe that was

3130
02:05:22,370 --> 02:05:19,550
expect for years because coincidentally

3131
02:05:25,190 --> 02:05:22,380
it reentered the Earth's atmosphere over

3132
02:05:28,580 --> 02:05:25,200
Canada about 318 a.m. in the morning on

3133
02:05:30,770 --> 02:05:28,590
the same day this happened about 447 in

3134
02:05:33,260 --> 02:05:30,780
the afternoon just to make the story

3135
02:05:35,780 --> 02:05:33,270
short in more recent years there's been

3136
02:05:38,810 --> 02:05:35,790
enough data that's come out which

3137
02:05:41,390 --> 02:05:38,820
probably pretty much eliminates cosmos

3138
02:05:44,360 --> 02:05:41,400
96 as being the culprit I would say

3139
02:05:47,330 --> 02:05:44,370
after all these years that my best guess

3140
02:05:50,200 --> 02:05:47,340
is that we're either dealing with some

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very secretive some very advanced

3142
02:05:55,850 --> 02:05:53,400
man-made space probe that has some type

3143
02:05:56,930 --> 02:05:55,860
of reentry capability or we're dealing

3144
02:05:59,300 --> 02:05:56,940
with something that the

3145
02:06:01,280 --> 02:05:59,310
extra-terrestrial or interdimensional or

3146
02:06:02,840 --> 02:06:01,290
something else along that line you got

3147
02:06:05,660 --> 02:06:02,850
our memory of the early days of the

3148
02:06:07,580 --> 02:06:05,670
space program and and I talked to many

3149
02:06:09,950 --> 02:06:07,590
people who worked for NASA time

3150
02:06:11,810 --> 02:06:09,960
engineers or scientists who designed a

3151
02:06:13,880 --> 02:06:11,820
lot of the projects for that time period

3152
02:06:16,160 --> 02:06:13,890
and when they look at Kecksburg they all

3153
02:06:18,350 --> 02:06:16,170
scratched her head and pretty much say

3154
02:06:20,600 --> 02:06:18,360
well we didn't have anything similar to

3155
02:06:23,120 --> 02:06:20,610
that again I keep an open mind all

3156
02:06:26,090 --> 02:06:23,130
possibilities I hope someday we do have

3157
02:06:28,280 --> 02:06:26,100
closure on the case okay enough said on

3158
02:06:30,890 --> 02:06:28,290
Kecksburg here's a question from Dave M

3159
02:06:33,260 --> 02:06:30,900
it was one of our longest posters at

3160
02:06:36,440 --> 02:06:33,270
forum dr. Peric ascom he's been posting

3161
02:06:39,440 --> 02:06:36,450
for almost eight years now Stan are you

3162
02:06:41,030 --> 02:06:39,450
familiar with David Peleg's if so what

3163
02:06:44,360 --> 02:06:41,040
are your thoughts about his Bigfoot /

3164
02:06:48,350 --> 02:06:44,370
missing persons books and are the two

3165
02:06:50,480 --> 02:06:48,360
connected yeah with him I can't say I've

3166
02:06:52,130 --> 02:06:50,490
read all the books I've heard of some of

3167
02:06:53,980 --> 02:06:52,140
the cases I think he's got some really

3168
02:06:56,810 --> 02:06:53,990
interesting material out there I

3169
02:06:58,640 --> 02:06:56,820
understand that he might be associating

3170
02:07:01,310 --> 02:06:58,650
some of the disappearances with Bigfoot

3171
02:07:02,750 --> 02:07:01,320
that's my understanding I can't really

3172
02:07:05,780 --> 02:07:02,760
comment on it because I don't done all

3173
02:07:07,520 --> 02:07:05,790
the details I can tell you that of the

3174
02:07:10,220 --> 02:07:07,530
hundreds of Bigfoot cases I look into

3175
02:07:13,070 --> 02:07:10,230
over the years I've really never seen

3176
02:07:15,590 --> 02:07:13,080
any indication these things were really

3177
02:07:17,240 --> 02:07:15,600
harmful to humans would say there were

3178
02:07:19,400 --> 02:07:17,250
cases where people told me these things

3179
02:07:21,860 --> 02:07:19,410
wanted to hurt them and they easily

3180
02:07:24,320 --> 02:07:21,870
could have under the circumstance these

3181
02:07:25,280 --> 02:07:24,330
things have great agility they move very

3182
02:07:26,630 --> 02:07:25,290
fast

3183
02:07:29,270 --> 02:07:26,640
I've had some case where they've chased

3184
02:07:31,160 --> 02:07:29,280
cars up to 50 miles an hour for a short

3185
02:07:32,720 --> 02:07:31,170
distance over the years

3186
02:07:35,780 --> 02:07:32,730
had reports that I'm carrying riding in

3187
02:07:38,360 --> 02:07:35,790
teheran dealer gear overs orders I have

3188
02:07:41,810 --> 02:07:38,370
not had any cases that I'm aware of but

3189
02:07:44,120 --> 02:07:41,820
I can think of where there may have been

3190
02:07:46,640 --> 02:07:44,130
a person missing and connected with a

3191
02:07:48,590 --> 02:07:46,650
Bigfoot case but a good of course I

3192
02:07:50,180 --> 02:07:48,600
don't have all the answers I don't know

3193
02:07:52,250 --> 02:07:50,190
everything that's going on out there so

3194
02:07:54,800 --> 02:07:52,260
I keep an open mind to all possibilities

3195
02:07:57,189 --> 02:07:54,810
I love the case from Scion invasion with

3196
02:08:00,380 --> 02:07:57,199
the scratches on the back of the car

3197
02:08:01,669 --> 02:08:00,390
that's a classic yeah actually it's in

3198
02:08:05,570 --> 02:08:01,679
the other book it's really mysterious

3199
02:08:10,700 --> 02:08:05,580
Pennsylvania okay okay the last book

3200
02:08:16,010 --> 02:08:13,580
and that may have been possibly have

3201
02:08:18,410 --> 02:08:16,020
involved a government agency as well it

3202
02:08:22,520 --> 02:08:18,420
just never stops here's a question from

3203
02:08:24,890 --> 02:08:22,530
Specter 73 who's been a poster for just

3204
02:08:28,040 --> 02:08:24,900
a couple of years now and actually a

3205
02:08:29,300 --> 02:08:28,050
couple of months and he wants to know

3206
02:08:31,640 --> 02:08:29,310
kind of it's more of a general question

3207
02:08:33,680 --> 02:08:31,650
about your thinking have your personal

3208
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views theories on the many topics that

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you invest have investigated over the

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years changed and if so do you think

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that there's a trend being influenced by

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or the popular culture or is influencing

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popular culture but we first of all have

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your thoughts and conclusions sort of

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morphed over the years or become more

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solid and do you think that we're seeing

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the culture influencing thinking about

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these subjects or do you think the

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actual events are influencing the

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culture well to me personally I don't

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think that I've been influenced by the

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media or the culture what I've seen

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basically I'm influenced by the

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interviews are doing witnesses the

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patterns I've seen the evidence I've

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uncovered over the years and yes things

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don't change you know when I got into

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this back so many years ago as I said I

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thought Bigfoot was very likely an

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unknown primate and I thought that a lot

3231
02:09:34,430 --> 02:09:31,860
of these unexplained UFO sightings were

3232
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probably extraterrestrial the more I'm

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involved in this and the many years I've

3234
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spent out in the field and the more

3235
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inner witnesses I've interviewed the

3236
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more I'm convinced that there's a lot

3237
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more of this we understand and

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maybe much more mysterious than any of

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us really realize I said years ago the

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phenomena is so strange it protects

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itself because who the heck is going to

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believe it as I look into some of these

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UFO cases over the years you know they

3244
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range from lights in the sky and

3245
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[Music]

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hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

3365
02:15:04,670 --> 02:15:02,090
astonishing I don't have Stan Gordon's

3366
02:15:07,390 --> 02:15:04,680
with us let me ask you Stan have you

3367
02:15:10,970 --> 02:15:07,400
seen the types of UFOs that are seen

3368
02:15:12,500 --> 02:15:10,980
change over the years yeah but I was

3369
02:15:14,170 --> 02:15:12,510
referring to the fact that you know

3370
02:15:17,420 --> 02:15:14,180
there have been reports of these large

3371
02:15:19,670 --> 02:15:17,430
triangular objects cigar shaped objects

3372
02:15:21,410 --> 02:15:19,680
your typical disk and in more recent

3373
02:15:23,630 --> 02:15:21,420
years we're getting more reports of

3374
02:15:25,900 --> 02:15:23,640
these very large solid sometimes black

3375
02:15:28,640 --> 02:15:25,910
even seen in daylight these huge

3376
02:15:32,570 --> 02:15:28,650
rectangular objects as well and you know

3377
02:15:34,730 --> 02:15:32,580
ya see earlier in the show about we

3378
02:15:37,010 --> 02:15:34,740
don't very often hear about what I call

3379
02:15:39,470 --> 02:15:37,020
the classic UFOs these larger objects

3380
02:15:42,530 --> 02:15:39,480
seen close to the ground do we see here

3381
02:15:45,110 --> 02:15:42,540
about in the 50s and 60s and 70s but

3382
02:15:47,210 --> 02:15:45,120
they still go on I mean as resist rhesus

3383
02:15:49,580 --> 02:15:47,220
the last few weeks I've had at least a

3384
02:15:52,040 --> 02:15:49,590
couple interesting cases but one cases

3385
02:15:53,540 --> 02:15:52,050
stands out that I think was a really

3386
02:15:57,020 --> 02:15:53,550
interesting case I investigated with

3387
02:16:00,410 --> 02:15:57,030
June 1st of 2013 so it wasn't that long

3388
02:16:02,960 --> 02:16:00,420
ago this was in North Huntington

3389
02:16:06,830 --> 02:16:02,970
Township a suburb of Pittsburgh on a

3390
02:16:09,320 --> 02:16:06,840
major highway route 34 lane highway the

3391
02:16:11,630 --> 02:16:09,330
case involves a woman who was well

3392
02:16:13,460 --> 02:16:11,640
educated did not believe in UFOs until

3393
02:16:16,130 --> 02:16:13,470
that night and her three year old sure

3394
02:16:17,540 --> 02:16:16,140
three year old child they were coming

3395
02:16:19,820 --> 02:16:17,550
out of a convenience store a little

3396
02:16:22,040 --> 02:16:19,830
after 10 o'clock that night making a

3397
02:16:25,130 --> 02:16:22,050
left that they were heading on route 30

3398
02:16:28,010 --> 02:16:25,140
eastbound towards a little village Adams

3399
02:16:29,660 --> 02:16:28,020
burg when suddenly she had to slow down

3400
02:16:31,730 --> 02:16:29,670
almost stopped in the middle of route 30

3401
02:16:33,740 --> 02:16:31,740
luckily she was in any car around at the

3402
02:16:36,320 --> 02:16:33,750
time but she was hoping those others

3403
02:16:39,140 --> 02:16:36,330
around to see it or what she saw the

3404
02:16:42,500 --> 02:16:39,150
reason she slowed down was about 60 feet

3405
02:16:45,560 --> 02:16:42,510
above the highway is this huge maybe 55

3406
02:16:48,440 --> 02:16:45,570
foot long solid metallic rectangular

3407
02:16:50,630 --> 02:16:48,450
object just hovering there taking up all

3408
02:16:52,340 --> 02:16:50,640
four lanes of the highway the lighting

3409
02:16:54,830 --> 02:16:52,350
on it the navigational lighting was

3410
02:16:57,050 --> 02:16:54,840
nothing like normal aircraft it was

3411
02:16:58,340 --> 02:16:57,060
completely silent her three-year-old

3412
02:17:01,970 --> 02:16:58,350
baby yells mommy

3413
02:17:03,890 --> 02:17:01,980
flying high pad in the sky and the woman

3414
02:17:06,140 --> 02:17:03,900
is on her cell phone at the time talking

3415
02:17:06,890 --> 02:17:06,150
to a friend and she's describing what

3416
02:17:09,170 --> 02:17:06,900
she's seeing

3417
02:17:10,041 --> 02:17:09,180
and actually passes underneath the

3418
02:17:12,590 --> 02:17:10,051
object

3419
02:17:14,630 --> 02:17:12,600
she loses a cellphone signal all the

3420
02:17:16,970 --> 02:17:14,640
wood products and the - of her car goes

3421
02:17:20,630 --> 02:17:16,980
out such as the FM radio goes off the

3422
02:17:22,310 --> 02:17:20,640
air and she tries to take a picture with

3423
02:17:25,340 --> 02:17:22,320
her iPhone and wouldn't let her go to

3424
02:17:28,520 --> 02:17:25,350
the photo mode but as she was down the

3425
02:17:30,831 --> 02:17:28,530
road everything comes back on well

3426
02:17:33,470 --> 02:17:30,841
that's a classic type case with a new

3427
02:17:35,871 --> 02:17:33,480
wrinkle the classic electromagnetic

3428
02:17:38,960 --> 02:17:35,881
interference type of thing exactly

3429
02:17:41,541 --> 02:17:38,970
exactly and she told me now the car she

3430
02:17:43,010 --> 02:17:41,551
hasn't on was not that old and I just

3431
02:17:45,081 --> 02:17:43,020
saw a few months ago she told me her

3432
02:17:47,150 --> 02:17:45,091
cars never worked properly since that

3433
02:17:50,390 --> 02:17:47,160
night so those are the kind of cases

3434
02:17:53,710 --> 02:17:50,400
that are really intriguing and that

3435
02:17:56,150 --> 02:17:53,720
woman now believes in UFOs by the way

3436
02:17:59,260 --> 02:17:56,160
sure I wonder why

3437
02:18:02,060 --> 02:17:59,270
well speaking of objects seen in the sky

3438
02:18:04,331 --> 02:18:02,070
one thing that I've always marveled at

3439
02:18:07,371 --> 02:18:04,341
about Pennsylvania reports as the

3440
02:18:10,130 --> 02:18:07,381
amazing giant bird sightings and and you

3441
02:18:13,310 --> 02:18:10,140
know strange flying creature sightings

3442
02:18:16,280 --> 02:18:13,320
over the years you've I mean the bill

3443
02:18:18,380 --> 02:18:16,290
will do an array of these types of

3444
02:18:20,991 --> 02:18:18,390
reports that you've gone out on over the

3445
02:18:23,030 --> 02:18:21,001
years this is really I mean dazzling to

3446
02:18:25,400 --> 02:18:23,040
me and what are some of your favorite

3447
02:18:28,871 --> 02:18:25,410
cases and some of the more bizarre cases

3448
02:18:31,520 --> 02:18:28,881
of these giant flying animals birds

3449
02:18:33,560 --> 02:18:31,530
Mothman I mean there's various

3450
02:18:35,930 --> 02:18:33,570
descriptions of them because there's so

3451
02:18:38,991 --> 02:18:35,940
many different types once you get a

3452
02:18:40,850 --> 02:18:39,001
sense of that yeah there's a number of

3453
02:18:44,360 --> 02:18:40,860
them in the new sonic encounters book

3454
02:18:47,000 --> 02:18:44,370
and I've had actually in the last couple

3455
02:18:48,951 --> 02:18:47,010
of weeks I've had at least one recent

3456
02:18:50,300 --> 02:18:48,961
report come in one at the interview

3457
02:18:52,701 --> 02:18:50,310
another person one who saw something

3458
02:18:53,960 --> 02:18:52,711
about two months ago and I know that

3459
02:18:55,670 --> 02:18:53,970
there's some other researchers out there

3460
02:18:58,100 --> 02:18:55,680
been hearing other reports are around

3461
02:19:00,590 --> 02:18:58,110
Pennsylvania as well probably one of my

3462
02:19:05,030 --> 02:19:00,600
favorites is actually what happened at

3463
02:19:08,000 --> 02:19:05,040
neighboring West Virginia back in 2000

3464
02:19:10,010 --> 02:19:08,010
please was around Pisa in fall 2007

3465
02:19:12,081 --> 02:19:10,020
outside of clendenon or West Virginia

3466
02:19:13,400 --> 02:19:12,091
and I interviewed the several install of

3467
02:19:15,440 --> 02:19:13,410
several times you send me a sketch of

3468
02:19:17,630 --> 02:19:15,450
what this thing looked like anyhow he's

3469
02:19:19,970 --> 02:19:17,640
riding down a road it's a two-lane rural

3470
02:19:22,010 --> 02:19:19,980
road about eight o'clock in the morning

3471
02:19:23,480 --> 02:19:22,020
so it's daylight and he asked me hit his

3472
02:19:26,000 --> 02:19:23,490
brakes real hard

3473
02:19:28,940 --> 02:19:26,010
here's this giant bird blocking the road

3474
02:19:31,490 --> 02:19:28,950
with death with a dead animals mouth Oh

3475
02:19:33,050 --> 02:19:31,500
eating roadkill and he said he's

3476
02:19:35,450 --> 02:19:33,060
startled by the size of this thing

3477
02:19:37,880 --> 02:19:35,460
because it's it's the least four feet

3478
02:19:40,520 --> 02:19:37,890
tall the head of it as extending above

3479
02:19:42,440 --> 02:19:40,530
the roofline in his car and he gave me a

3480
02:19:43,880 --> 02:19:42,450
very detailed description he says like

3481
02:19:46,340 --> 02:19:43,890
many other people these things they're

3482
02:19:48,711 --> 02:19:46,350
generally dark brown or black in color

3483
02:19:51,350 --> 02:19:48,721
it has dark feathers the neck was long

3484
02:19:53,900 --> 02:19:51,360
and crook the be compared to be dark was

3485
02:19:56,301 --> 02:19:53,910
very large along the eyes were dark in

3486
02:19:59,240 --> 02:19:56,311
color but he said what really stood out

3487
02:20:01,700 --> 02:19:59,250
was his wings the wingspan and he said

3488
02:20:03,770 --> 02:20:01,710
he watched this thing it's jumping and

3489
02:20:05,870 --> 02:20:03,780
hopping back and forth an awkward manner

3490
02:20:08,150 --> 02:20:05,880
like his trying to get off the ground

3491
02:20:10,370 --> 02:20:08,160
it's flapping its wings and as it's

3492
02:20:12,680 --> 02:20:10,380
flapping its wings he said he could see

3493
02:20:14,780 --> 02:20:12,690
the wingtips hitting at the edge of each

3494
02:20:16,970 --> 02:20:14,790
side of the road and his grab would dirt

3495
02:20:19,220 --> 02:20:16,980
going up as was flapping his wings and

3496
02:20:21,650 --> 02:20:19,230
finally it got up in the air went up

3497
02:20:24,650 --> 02:20:21,660
over the trees he went back the next day

3498
02:20:26,390 --> 02:20:24,660
to measure the wingspan because the sock

3499
02:20:28,370 --> 02:20:26,400
sack were the ends of the wingtips were

3500
02:20:32,180 --> 02:20:28,380
it was twenty-one feet across

3501
02:20:34,940 --> 02:20:32,190
oh that's twice as big as a condor which

3502
02:20:37,580 --> 02:20:34,950
has the largest wingspan I think nature

3503
02:20:40,790 --> 02:20:37,590
yeah it's one of those many many cases

3504
02:20:42,320 --> 02:20:40,800
now yeah as you mentioned while like we

3505
02:20:44,720 --> 02:20:42,330
put them under the category of

3506
02:20:48,921 --> 02:20:44,730
Thunderbirds some of these look like

3507
02:20:50,961 --> 02:20:48,931
just very oversized giant birds in other

3508
02:20:53,360 --> 02:20:50,971
cases people have described seeing

3509
02:20:55,370 --> 02:20:53,370
something with more leather like skin

3510
02:20:58,520 --> 02:20:55,380
rather than feathers more like a giant

3511
02:21:01,160 --> 02:20:58,530
bats in some cases people giving me a

3512
02:21:03,140 --> 02:21:01,170
really detailed account and describing

3513
02:21:05,900 --> 02:21:03,150
something very reluctantly it looks

3514
02:21:08,421 --> 02:21:05,910
prehistoric like a pterodactyl or dare

3515
02:21:10,280 --> 02:21:08,431
torn some people have said these things

3516
02:21:12,620 --> 02:21:10,290
look like gargoyles so there are

3517
02:21:14,980 --> 02:21:12,630
similarities in the reports and yet

3518
02:21:18,680 --> 02:21:14,990
differences as well Wow

3519
02:21:22,520 --> 02:21:18,690
you know what astounds me is the the

3520
02:21:25,671 --> 02:21:22,530
variety of descriptions that you find in

3521
02:21:28,520 --> 02:21:25,681
Pennsylvania most other areas don't

3522
02:21:31,220 --> 02:21:28,530
really have the the bewildering

3523
02:21:34,330 --> 02:21:31,230
different types of flying creatures that

3524
02:21:36,770 --> 02:21:34,340
like Stan is describing it they're more

3525
02:21:39,860 --> 02:21:36,780
like either their pterodactyl look

3526
02:21:42,590 --> 02:21:39,870
things or the giant birds you rarely

3527
02:21:44,570 --> 02:21:42,600
have reports from a you know from a

3528
02:21:46,910 --> 02:21:44,580
region like that where you have a whole

3529
02:21:50,000 --> 02:21:46,920
a whole slew of different descriptions

3530
02:21:51,440 --> 02:21:50,010
like that that's always been intriguing

3531
02:21:53,870 --> 02:21:51,450
to me what do you make of these giant

3532
02:21:55,370 --> 02:21:53,880
bird sightings I mean it shouldn't more

3533
02:21:56,600 --> 02:21:55,380
people be seeing these things and

3534
02:21:59,360 --> 02:21:56,610
reporting them if they're actually

3535
02:22:00,920 --> 02:21:59,370
physical flesh-and-blood creatures well

3536
02:22:03,200 --> 02:22:00,930
you know the whole thing is just like

3537
02:22:04,820 --> 02:22:03,210
with UFO sightings and you know I talked

3538
02:22:07,040 --> 02:22:04,830
about this with witnesses and people all

3539
02:22:08,780 --> 02:22:07,050
the time and if you're just walking down

3540
02:22:10,280 --> 02:22:08,790
the street look at people what are they

3541
02:22:12,590 --> 02:22:10,290
doing they're texting or talking on

3542
02:22:15,710 --> 02:22:12,600
their phone people rarely look up in the

3543
02:22:17,090 --> 02:22:15,720
sky so you know if you're not looking up

3544
02:22:19,340 --> 02:22:17,100
you're not going to see that there may

3545
02:22:21,620 --> 02:22:19,350
be something out there and I think more

3546
02:22:24,380 --> 02:22:21,630
and more people have seen these things

3547
02:22:26,150 --> 02:22:24,390
from what I get from a lot of friends of

3548
02:22:29,060 --> 02:22:26,160
people relatives of people and I've

3549
02:22:30,350 --> 02:22:29,070
talked to people who are very luck Tandi

3550
02:22:31,880 --> 02:22:30,360
vain' tell me about what they saw

3551
02:22:34,400 --> 02:22:31,890
because they can't believe they saw what

3552
02:22:37,490 --> 02:22:34,410
they saw so I think these things are

3553
02:22:39,440 --> 02:22:37,500
going on probably much more that people

3554
02:22:40,910 --> 02:22:39,450
who are either reluctant to report it or

3555
02:22:44,000 --> 02:22:40,920
they don't know where to report it -

3556
02:22:45,320 --> 02:22:44,010
yeah it's like who's gonna believe you

3557
02:22:48,560 --> 02:22:45,330
is the first thing it probably goes

3558
02:22:50,060 --> 02:22:48,570
through your mind and then second is you

3559
02:22:54,230 --> 02:22:50,070
know you're even worried about telling

3560
02:22:56,450 --> 02:22:54,240
your family or friends I'm not surprised

3561
02:22:57,770 --> 02:22:56,460
that you know people who aren't seen

3562
02:23:00,700 --> 02:22:57,780
these things actually because they're

3563
02:23:04,190 --> 02:23:00,710
falling in love or their damn thumbs

3564
02:23:07,190 --> 02:23:04,200
yeah luckily on occasion it's more with

3565
02:23:09,920 --> 02:23:07,200
UFOs but on occasion we are lucky if

3566
02:23:11,540 --> 02:23:09,930
somebody does get some videos or some

3567
02:23:13,340 --> 02:23:11,550
still photographs and you know

3568
02:23:15,680 --> 02:23:13,350
unfortunately these digital cameras are

3569
02:23:18,410 --> 02:23:15,690
not designed specially at night to try

3570
02:23:20,090 --> 02:23:18,420
to focus on an image far away so you get

3571
02:23:22,970 --> 02:23:20,100
a lot of false images especially with

3572
02:23:24,380 --> 02:23:22,980
electronics and digital cameras but on

3573
02:23:26,840 --> 02:23:24,390
occasion we get something interesting

3574
02:23:28,310 --> 02:23:26,850
that does come in now I should tell

3575
02:23:30,680 --> 02:23:28,320
everybody if they listen to our other

3576
02:23:33,170 --> 02:23:30,690
show the tech night our live Apple came

3577
02:23:36,290 --> 02:23:33,180
out with new iPhones this past week the

3578
02:23:39,470 --> 02:23:36,300
iPhone 6s and the iPhone 6s plus both

3579
02:23:40,610 --> 02:23:39,480
can take 4k video in addition to

3580
02:23:43,510 --> 02:23:40,620
everything else they have improved

3581
02:23:45,830 --> 02:23:43,520
cameras but as Stan says you know for

3582
02:23:48,440 --> 02:23:45,840
shooting something at night from the

3583
02:23:50,600 --> 02:23:48,450
distance none of these cameras can do it

3584
02:23:52,881 --> 02:23:50,610
at best maybe you'll get a

3585
02:23:56,060 --> 02:23:52,891
video of some vague flickering like in

3586
02:23:59,211 --> 02:23:56,070
the sky and do we really need any more

3587
02:24:01,730 --> 02:23:59,221
vague flickering lights in the sky isn't

3588
02:24:03,320 --> 02:24:01,740
that vague enough well forgive the puns

3589
02:24:06,501 --> 02:24:03,330
in any case but you get the point here

3590
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these shooters that are built into these

3591
02:24:10,791 --> 02:24:09,601
smartphones they do good stuff but they

3592
02:24:13,341 --> 02:24:10,801
don't work under those circumstances

3593
02:24:15,291 --> 02:24:13,351
very well it's just the way it is we got

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02:24:17,120 --> 02:24:15,301
one more segment to spend with our

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friend Stan Gordon author of astonishing

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encounters more to come with Gene and

3597
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Kris you're in the very cast thank you

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so this is a quick session despite the

3705
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interruptions with the loss of reception

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because Skype decided they don't like

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02:29:10,421 --> 02:29:08,961
Chris maybe because he's using Macs and

3708
02:29:12,881 --> 02:29:10,431
Skype is owned by Microsoft

3709
02:29:14,381 --> 02:29:12,891
now that doesn't work I have a Mac and

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02:29:16,060 --> 02:29:14,391
I'm using Skype and there's no

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disconnection I shouldn't say anything

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because I will be challenging the god so

3713
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we don't want that to happen I think

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it's a Mac man in black we are the Mac

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men in black apples protectors that's a

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bad song or something I don't sing

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except for my supper and these days you

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know I'm not getting too much supper so

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there you go

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so start saying well no you don't want

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to do that because we will lose every

3722
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single listener to this show if I may

3723
02:29:48,400 --> 02:29:46,641
the slightest effort Stan Gordon we have

3724
02:29:50,860 --> 02:29:48,410
just a few moments left let's cover a

3725
02:29:55,360 --> 02:29:50,870
few things here and you've accumulated a

3726
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vast repository of files here strange

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creatures dragons winged humanoids UFO

3728
02:30:07,810 --> 02:30:04,940
cases metallic fragments Bigfoot

3729
02:30:09,400 --> 02:30:07,820
whatever what's the next step where do

3730
02:30:12,371 --> 02:30:09,410
we take all this information to figure

3731
02:30:13,900 --> 02:30:12,381
out what's going on well you know I've

3732
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been doing it for a long time and and

3733
02:30:18,180 --> 02:30:15,740
I'm hoping I'm luckily at some of the

3734
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events I'm meeting some very young very

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educated next generation hopefully new

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investigators who hopefully they'll be

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able to continue on where we won't be

3738
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able to and hopefully they'll be able to

3739
02:30:31,751 --> 02:30:29,750
come uncover some of these answers

3740
02:30:35,110 --> 02:30:31,761
because these mysteries are gonna

3741
02:30:36,610 --> 02:30:35,120
continue long past the time when I'm no

3742
02:30:39,490 --> 02:30:36,620
longer here probably the others will be

3743
02:30:41,831 --> 02:30:39,500
here does that feel frustrating to you

3744
02:30:44,551 --> 02:30:41,841
though that you could spend so many

3745
02:30:46,480 --> 02:30:44,561
years since you're a teenager and I

3746
02:30:48,881 --> 02:30:46,490
understand that because that's when I

3747
02:30:50,650 --> 02:30:48,891
started that's when Chris got started

3748
02:30:53,621 --> 02:30:50,660
with exploring the paranormal

3749
02:30:56,291 --> 02:30:53,631
do you feel at all frustrated or jaded

3750
02:30:58,720 --> 02:30:56,301
that the answer may not come in your

3751
02:31:00,730 --> 02:30:58,730
lifetime oh not really you know it's

3752
02:31:03,881 --> 02:31:00,740
been such an interesting journey and

3753
02:31:05,180 --> 02:31:03,891
I've learned so many new things and I've

3754
02:31:07,280 --> 02:31:05,190
learned about the

3755
02:31:09,591 --> 02:31:07,290
and creatures entities and things that I

3756
02:31:11,990 --> 02:31:09,601
never would have believed that ever

3757
02:31:13,280 --> 02:31:12,000
exist until you start talking to so many

3758
02:31:16,180 --> 02:31:13,290
different people from so many

3759
02:31:18,890 --> 02:31:16,190
backgrounds from some such far-reaching

3760
02:31:20,570 --> 02:31:18,900
areas they tell you similar accounts and

3761
02:31:22,581 --> 02:31:20,580
they give you those little details and

3762
02:31:24,860 --> 02:31:22,591
you find those strange footprints out

3763
02:31:27,110 --> 02:31:24,870
there there's just so many things we've

3764
02:31:29,961 --> 02:31:27,120
learned and yet there's so many answers

3765
02:31:31,881 --> 02:31:29,971
that we still don't have but it's made

3766
02:31:35,541 --> 02:31:31,891
me aware that you know there's so much

3767
02:31:37,430 --> 02:31:35,551
more to our world that God's given us a

3768
02:31:38,570 --> 02:31:37,440
lot of anomalies to deal with out there

3769
02:31:40,520 --> 02:31:38,580
and there's a lot of things we just

3770
02:31:43,520 --> 02:31:40,530
don't have the answers for yeah and also

3771
02:31:45,621 --> 02:31:43,530
helping people on sometimes these events

3772
02:31:47,841 --> 02:31:45,631
you know they not only can they be

3773
02:31:50,091 --> 02:31:47,851
frightening and and actually put people

3774
02:31:52,610 --> 02:31:50,101
into a state of terror but they also

3775
02:31:55,751 --> 02:31:52,620
have a have a way of completely

3776
02:31:58,911 --> 02:31:55,761
shattering your reality view at times

3777
02:32:00,831 --> 02:31:58,921
completely turning what you thought was

3778
02:32:03,530 --> 02:32:00,841
a you know normal three-dimensional

3779
02:32:05,480 --> 02:32:03,540
reality upside down who are you going to

3780
02:32:08,060 --> 02:32:05,490
talk to about that sort of thing I

3781
02:32:10,371 --> 02:32:08,070
constantly was finding myself helping

3782
02:32:13,011 --> 02:32:10,381
people work their way through these just

3783
02:32:14,690 --> 02:32:13,021
inexplicable experiences and stand-to I

3784
02:32:17,211 --> 02:32:14,700
can tell you've got a very very good

3785
02:32:19,161 --> 02:32:17,221
manner you've interviewed thousands and

3786
02:32:20,661 --> 02:32:19,171
thousands of people and when somebody

3787
02:32:22,251 --> 02:32:20,671
comes to you and says look I had this

3788
02:32:25,161 --> 02:32:22,261
really bizarre thing happened you know

3789
02:32:28,251 --> 02:32:25,171
what you know I can't sleep at night you

3790
02:32:30,501 --> 02:32:28,261
know my family says I'm I'm on edge you

3791
02:32:32,990 --> 02:32:30,511
know in in you just can't help but feel

3792
02:32:36,230 --> 02:32:33,000
feel for these people and you know in

3793
02:32:37,730 --> 02:32:36,240
might in my particular work I had to you

3794
02:32:39,770 --> 02:32:37,740
know deal with a lot of ranchers who

3795
02:32:41,541 --> 02:32:39,780
were missing livestock and you know I

3796
02:32:42,770 --> 02:32:41,551
had big burly ranchers cry on my

3797
02:32:45,171 --> 02:32:42,780
shoulder and say why did they take my

3798
02:32:47,150 --> 02:32:45,181
best breeding cow and I think it's the

3799
02:32:49,341 --> 02:32:47,160
helping people part of it that they kind

3800
02:32:51,381 --> 02:32:49,351
of kept me going forward now that I'm

3801
02:32:54,020 --> 02:32:51,391
sort of taking a back seat a little bit

3802
02:32:55,940 --> 02:32:54,030
to it yeah I kind of missed that

3803
02:32:58,161 --> 02:32:55,950
actually how about you I mean you find

3804
02:33:00,081 --> 02:32:58,171
yourself being like a paranormal shrink

3805
02:33:02,331 --> 02:33:00,091
at dead times well I wouldn't call it

3806
02:33:04,041 --> 02:33:02,341
straight but yes there's no doubt I deal

3807
02:33:05,871 --> 02:33:04,051
with that all the time I'm a regular

3808
02:33:08,060 --> 02:33:05,881
quite regular basis I deal with people

3809
02:33:10,430 --> 02:33:08,070
all the time they come to me we have

3810
02:33:12,220 --> 02:33:10,440
long discussions and we and we make them

3811
02:33:14,661 --> 02:33:12,230
aware that they're not the only ones

3812
02:33:16,820 --> 02:33:14,671
it's something it's kind of a support

3813
02:33:18,530 --> 02:33:16,830
for them to make them aware that they're

3814
02:33:21,050 --> 02:33:18,540
not the only ones that have had had

3815
02:33:22,690 --> 02:33:21,060
encounters and most of the time most of

3816
02:33:25,880 --> 02:33:22,700
them are so very happy to learn that

3817
02:33:28,040 --> 02:33:25,890
what they saw was also seen by others

3818
02:33:29,180 --> 02:33:28,050
that they weren't alone and they gently

3819
02:33:31,011 --> 02:33:29,190
feel a lot better after we have

3820
02:33:33,440 --> 02:33:31,021
discussions yeah that's important too I

3821
02:33:35,060 --> 02:33:33,450
guess there's people feel more

3822
02:33:38,060 --> 02:33:35,070
comfortable if you know they weren't the

3823
02:33:39,890 --> 02:33:38,070
only ones singled out that that can be

3824
02:33:42,020 --> 02:33:39,900
I think disconcerting for some people

3825
02:33:43,761 --> 02:33:42,030
and it's good for them to know that

3826
02:33:46,100 --> 02:33:43,771
they're not the only ones and they're

3827
02:33:48,500 --> 02:33:46,110
not crazy I mean I'm sure you've had

3828
02:33:50,870 --> 02:33:48,510
people say I think you know I thought I

3829
02:33:53,150 --> 02:33:50,880
was going crazy I could not explain what

3830
02:33:55,730 --> 02:33:53,160
I saw and I was really starting to

3831
02:33:57,980 --> 02:33:55,740
question my own sanity thank God

3832
02:34:00,770 --> 02:33:57,990
somebody else saw it too you know I mean

3833
02:34:03,230 --> 02:34:00,780
I've heard that more than a few times as

3834
02:34:05,000 --> 02:34:03,240
I'm sure you have over the years many

3835
02:34:07,011 --> 02:34:05,010
witness especially those that have had

3836
02:34:08,540 --> 02:34:07,021
some really close up sighting one of the

3837
02:34:10,670 --> 02:34:08,550
first things they said it me always is

3838
02:34:12,230 --> 02:34:10,680
first of all don't use my name and

3839
02:34:13,610 --> 02:34:12,240
second thing is I don't want you to

3840
02:34:15,590 --> 02:34:13,620
think I'm crazy because I know what I

3841
02:34:17,390 --> 02:34:15,600
saw and I hear that all the time yeah

3842
02:34:20,210 --> 02:34:17,400
it's almost predictable in a lot of

3843
02:34:22,490 --> 02:34:20,220
cases do find that people in these areas

3844
02:34:24,950 --> 02:34:22,500
like along a Chestnut Ridge and in

3845
02:34:27,800 --> 02:34:24,960
Fayette County Bucks County do you find

3846
02:34:29,960 --> 02:34:27,810
that people in those counties are almost

3847
02:34:33,080 --> 02:34:29,970
a that these types of things are almost

3848
02:34:35,560 --> 02:34:33,090
normal for them do you get a sense of

3849
02:34:38,060 --> 02:34:35,570
nonchalance or people have almost

3850
02:34:40,490 --> 02:34:38,070
allowed this to become factored into the

3851
02:34:43,610 --> 02:34:40,500
reality at all or is it always startling

3852
02:34:45,410 --> 02:34:43,620
to people in these areas yeah depends on

3853
02:34:48,230 --> 02:34:45,420
the location now in the cities around

3854
02:34:50,060 --> 02:34:48,240
here people interested but you don't

3855
02:34:52,250 --> 02:34:50,070
hear as many cases but when you start

3856
02:34:54,470 --> 02:34:52,260
getting out those rural areas and you

3857
02:34:56,420 --> 02:34:54,480
start getting into those communities you

3858
02:34:59,090 --> 02:34:56,430
talk to people so many of those people

3859
02:35:01,370 --> 02:34:59,100
who live out in those areas for 30 40 50

3860
02:35:03,200 --> 02:35:01,380
years they've heard the stories some of

3861
02:35:05,000 --> 02:35:03,210
them have their own experience they have

3862
02:35:07,040 --> 02:35:05,010
relatives neighbors and friends who have

3863
02:35:08,930 --> 02:35:07,050
had experiences they talk about these

3864
02:35:11,630 --> 02:35:08,940
things so it's a part of the local

3865
02:35:13,430 --> 02:35:11,640
history a lot of people know about it so

3866
02:35:15,140 --> 02:35:13,440
it's something that is of the interest

3867
02:35:17,660 --> 02:35:15,150
of these people lot of them don't

3868
02:35:19,870 --> 02:35:17,670
publicly talk about a lot but they

3869
02:35:23,780 --> 02:35:19,880
probably communicate it among themselves

3870
02:35:26,540 --> 02:35:23,790
so if you had to you know pick out your

3871
02:35:28,520 --> 02:35:26,550
top three cases besides Kecksburg which

3872
02:35:30,200 --> 02:35:28,530
which should be here on this list

3873
02:35:32,760 --> 02:35:30,210
obviously what would be your three

3874
02:35:34,460 --> 02:35:32,770
favorite cases that just totally blow ya

3875
02:35:37,740 --> 02:35:34,470
the water when you think about them

3876
02:35:40,050 --> 02:35:37,750
anyway we need two minutes that's all we

3877
02:35:43,469 --> 02:35:40,060
have is two minutes for your answer the

3878
02:35:45,420 --> 02:35:43,479
October 25th 73 UFO Bigfoot case we

3879
02:35:47,910 --> 02:35:45,430
talked about that's probably in my

3880
02:35:50,580 --> 02:35:47,920
number one case that I always thought

3881
02:35:54,120 --> 02:35:50,590
was so amazing at the Kecksburg the

3882
02:35:56,849 --> 02:35:54,130
February 6 1974 instant near Ohiopyle in

3883
02:35:59,250 --> 02:35:56,859
Fayette County where the woman shot at

3884
02:36:01,229 --> 02:35:59,260
the Bigfoot with a shotgun only a few

3885
02:36:03,689 --> 02:36:01,239
feet away and it disappeared in a flash

3886
02:36:06,000 --> 02:36:03,699
of light which is in the solid invasion

3887
02:36:09,689 --> 02:36:06,010
book and beyond that there are so many

3888
02:36:11,340 --> 02:36:09,699
other just amazing cases it's so hard to

3889
02:36:13,439 --> 02:36:11,350
pick one out because these cases going

3890
02:36:15,750 --> 02:36:13,449
year after year so of course I would

3891
02:36:17,939 --> 02:36:15,760
also assume as you learn more and more

3892
02:36:19,760 --> 02:36:17,949
about cases your preference as to the

3893
02:36:22,889 --> 02:36:19,770
most mysterious or the most compelling

3894
02:36:24,870 --> 02:36:22,899
changes as we've seen through this very

3895
02:36:27,120 --> 02:36:24,880
very fascinating episode there are

3896
02:36:28,769 --> 02:36:27,130
always more and more new cases to

3897
02:36:30,599 --> 02:36:28,779
consider we just tell our listeners

3898
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3904
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really mysterious Pennsylvania which has

3905
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many cases where people were physically

3906
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close to UFOs and all kind of cryptids

3907
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